The Monk Temple

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Originally Posted by Misake

For a more balanced BiS, this is the one I made http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LRGE.

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Haha nice! Exactly the set, piece for piece, that I put together on ariyala myself and am happy to say have completed. For content other than coil I simply sub in Allagan Trousers, Tremor Earrings and Hero's Ring to further cut unnecessary accuracy.

Good to see independent arrival at the same gearset.

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Originally Posted by Duf

Would definitely appreciate this, thankfully I saw a post saying the latest patch started at 150, but restarting the thread with an active OP would be awesome, and I don't think there's a more qualified person, you certainly seem to know your stuff. :D

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Oh don't be silly, I say dumb things all the time lol :P
I'm quite happy that there are many qualified and active MNK enthusiasts that are active on these forums. Besides, I'm not sure if the OP would look any better than a chaotic jungle of words with my lack of organizational skills.

That said, if it doesn't happen soon I may chose to subject you all to it just on the basis that hopefully we'll maybe finally stop getting people who ask if Fracture is ok to use :P

Monk enthusiasts here. I'm just curious about a straight DET build using CT body and feet. With the Allagan Weapon it would have +30 DET, -40 Crit, -7 STR and no SS. The extra DET would replace the lost STR and Crit. For AA damage I figure that DET is the 18x more potent than Crit.
So I'm curious what % of total damage is made up of Auto Attacks and how much an additional 30 DET would give seeing as GL increases AA speed and Damage as well.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

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I do know AA accounts for around 28-30% of your overall damage. As your aware DET is a direct increase to damage but will it be 7 STR and 49 crit that your losing?

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Monk enthusiasts here. I'm just curious about a straight DET build using CT body and feet. With the Allagan Weapon it would have +30 DET, -40 Crit, -7 STR and no SS. The extra DET would replace the lost STR and Crit. For AA damage I figure that DET is the 18x more potent than Crit.
So I'm curious what % of total damage is made up of Auto Attacks and how much an additional 30 DET would give seeing as GL increases AA speed and Damage as well.

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I was going to reply back to you over on the other thread that you brought this up on. AA accounts for ~30% of your total damage. So the 7 Str and fairly heft Crit that you lose to gain a relatively small amount of Det (by comparison to what you lose) would net you a noticeable DPS loss. It will be extremely rare when sacrificing raw Str is going to be the way to go generally speaking.

Also is the set you are comparing your purposed set against? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LRGE

Edit - Grabbed the wrong link. Had the one for no ACC requirements. Whoops, but it's fixed now.

Edit again - I see that is not the set you were comparing against. So with the setup you posted on the other thread compared to what I linked above which is what many of us are shooting for now the difference between the two would would be -7 Str, -25 Crit, and +15 Det. I couldn't advise that switch to anyone.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Monk enthusiasts here. I'm just curious about a straight DET build using CT body and feet. With the Allagan Weapon it would have +30 DET, -40 Crit, -7 STR and no SS. The extra DET would replace the lost STR and Crit. For AA damage I figure that DET is the 18x more potent than Crit.
So I'm curious what % of total damage is made up of Auto Attacks and how much an additional 30 DET would give seeing as GL increases AA speed and Damage as well.

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Don't do this, you will lose DPS. You are vastly undervaluing Crit and also undervaluing STR.

If I recall correctly, 1 STR is roughly equivalent to 7 Det. On that ground alone the loss of 7 STR wouldnt be made up for by the 30 Det, before even getting into the Crit loss.

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

I was going to reply back to you over on the other thread that you brought this up on. AA accounts for ~30% of your total damage. So the 7 Str and fairly heft Crit that you lose to gain a relatively small amount of Det (by comparison to what you lose) would net you a noticeable DPS loss. It will be extremely rare when sacrificing raw Str is going to be the way to go generally speaking.

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It was an older BIS set that I was comparing it to. Looking at the BiS set you posted there it would be a difference of
-7STR, -1 ACC, -20 CRIT, +15 DET

In comparison it looks like my set would be a 1% Decrease in WS damage with a 2% increase in AA Damage.

So it wouldn't really be better or worse.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

It was an older BIS set that I was comparing it to. Looking at the BiS set you posted there it would be a difference of
-7STR, -1 ACC, -20 CRIT, +15 DET

In comparison it looks like my set would be a 1% Decrease in WS damage with a 2% increase in AA Damage.

So it wouldn't really be better or worse.

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You've changed your set around then from what you posted up on the other thread.

This is the gear you listed in the other thread:

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

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Here's my proposed build
Allagan Baghnaks
Allagan Visor
Fuma Koromo
Allagan Gauntlets
Allagan Tassets
Melee Gaskin
Fuma Kyahan
Allagan Choker of Maim
Allagan Earring of Maim
Hero Bracelet of Slay
Ring of Strike
Ring of Maim
HQ Buttons in a Blanket
(Swap Hellish Claws and Allagan Boots when the Allagan weapon isnt available)

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For ease of reference here's a link: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LY33

The difference between that and this: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LRGE

Is -7 str, -25 crit, +15 det, and +6 acc (not really a factor). So if you are going to keep throwing around these numbers of increase or decrease please at least list your set for reference so we can accurately understand what we are talking about. Also where are you getting your damage values from? Having tested various sets and secondary stats extensively what you produced for a set will give you a DPS decrease. While trading the crit for det would be more than fine losing the 7 str is a very large factor in this. 15 det does not replace 7 str and 25 crit at all under any circumstance in the game right now.

I ended up swapping a hero accessory that gave extra crit but less accuracy. Didn't get to update my post because I was at work.

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Allagan Baghnaks
Allagan Visor
Fuma Koromo
Allagan Gauntlets
Allagan Tassets
Melee Gaskin
Fuma Kyahan
Hero Necklace of Slay
Allagan Ear of Maim
Hero Bracelet of Slay
Ring of Strike
Ring of Maim
HQ Buttons in a Blanket

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I'm using Valks numbers to compare the sets.
The 15 DET is about 5 STR. So a loss of 2.
20 Crit is about 3 STR
So a total of 5 STR loss on 70% of damage.

Edited for late night bad math:

But since DET is double STR on AA it's a gain of 30 - 10 = 20 STR 30 -5 = 25 STR for 30% of damage. (7 Actual STR + Crit Value 3 - Total of 10)

So then 70/30 = 2.33
20\2.33 = 8.6
8.6 -5 = +3.6
So it would add about 3 STR worth to overall damage.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

But since DET is double STR on AA it's a gain of 30-5=25STR for 30% of damage.

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Though I do know the last weights easymode gave put det at like 0.33 STR, crit = 0.15 and SS = 0.14 (I think).
This greatly favors det over the other stats but I never heard of det affecting auto attacks differently.

so... another set of claws :-(

i wish there were more interesting weapons appearance-wise, like the sphairai
http://i.imgur.com/R3l7O51.jpg