Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

But honestly facebook is not a good way to get a company like IGN to respond, You will get more of a response if you use any internal system they have for site members, or better yet, an email campaign from people from FFXIV starting with a good cover email and featuring some snippets from this and other posts.

Good idea, it is just that.. anybody with enough money or influence to change anything or even sway the opinion of those who can does not pay attention to facebook or care what anyone on it says. Just now reading some comments from the picture you linked I can assure you nobody cares what any of those people typed. The best way to go about this is to get smaller communities together, IE: Old gaming clans, WoW Guilds, Rift Guilds, Tera Guilds, DoTA Groups, Gaming Communities, EVE Corps & Alliances, FFS EQ Guilds, gaming bloggers, small reviewers and such.

By reaching enough of them they can lobby on behalf of their full membership to show the strength(Buying power) of their numbers thus allowing for a large amount of people to display how unhappy they are about the state of this game while serving the dual purpose of preventing this game from being peddled to our dear and wonderful friends, the intelligent gamers.

I'll do what I can to get my chums together to boycott this game and spread not slander but truth about how the game works.

If this does not work and even if it does perhaps to get from getting bored we should also start funny pictures, or word games...

(Sorry for split text, 1000 char limit)

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This whole thing just seems like a case of "If they were going to fix it, they would have already."

This thread is enormous and the issue is huge and has gotten a lot of attention from a lot of people even outside of this forum, yet there are no responses other than generic copy/paste mod replies. The only other one seems to be from a developer himself seemingly telling us that they've done all they can and that was a long time ago.

Apparently this game isn't as big of a financial liability for SE than a lot of us think. Either way, with the amount of copies they sold I'm sure they'll be completely fine even if a month from now most of the servers are dead. The next single player FF game will be a huge hit.

I agree every launch has its issues however what I find less acceptable is complete silence from SE after 69 pages (and more on other posts) of very specific and detailed issue report on this topic.

There's a difference between challenge and frustration. Now seeing a situation on your screen which does not correspond to the reality is pure frustration, it totally overwrites the fun part a good challenge in battle provides.

I saw myself countless times very far away from the AOE and get hit, while my hubby still saw me standing right in the middle of the AOE. This coupled with the 0.5 sec delay must be fixed, period.

I will resume my sub once this has been sorted out by SE.

Yoohoo! SE? Might wanna say something here.

This thread really deserves some kind of dev response.

At least let players know if they intend on fixing the issue or if its just going to be an ongoing issue.

I agree the way the games net code is shocking, at times. I do think the devs need to make a post about it or reply to the relevant ones on the forums. But from the looks of things "SE" got very bad forum rep

Still no replies? ridiculous...

Hello Devs,

This is a gamebreaking issue for many many many people. Can we please get a reply?

kthx

the "reply" you(and me) are waiting for would sound like:
We SE have decided that it is a good idea to move the EU Servers to.. EU! REJOICE!

We need an EU data centre. However, chances of that happening are just too slim unless we have a very large EU population increase.

Stop deviating the issue please, it's already been stated and proven it has (in the major part) nothing to do with the inexistence of an EU datacentre.

yeah, fucking bots everywhere....

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Stop deviating the issue please, it's already been stated and proven it has (in the major part) nothing to do with the inexistence of an EU datacentre.

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Nevertheless, we need an EU datacentre.

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For anyone wanting to take this issue to their social media, FFXIV keeps reposting the same "Buy what IGN calls a great MMORPG!" stuff on their Facebook as a highlight. I've made the following comment:

"Jesse David Great game. AWFUL NET CODE. Don't expect anything sort of snappy game play from this MMO. Dodging AOE and using instant cast abilities in this game are years behind the other MMOs on the market." · September 19 at 8:06am

So far it only has 4 likes, but I think if we can get it to the most upvoted commented on their facebook page they might get a little worried and become a little bit more communicative.

Here's the link to advertisement I'm talking about:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f..._t=photo_reply

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Stop deviating the issue please, it's already been stated and proven it has (in the major part) nothing to do with the inexistence of an EU datacentre.

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Sorry, but some of us don't enjoy the nice little 200-250 ping to Canada, while in every other game that has EU based servers I considered ping over 50-60 bad-ish.

While it's not the only issue, it just compounds with other issues to create a lag-fest (for some players at least).

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Sorry, but some of us don't enjoy the nice little 200-250 ping to Canada, while in every other game that has EU based servers I considered ping over 50-60 bad-ish.

While it's not the only issue, it just compounds with other issues to create a lag-fest (for some players at least).

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Other games having EU servers and you having low pings, doesn't imply that the low ping to the other game's EU dataservers is the reason for no delay.

It IS true that EU datacentres would help, but this comes AFTER.

Having new Datacentres is probably 5% of the real and serious issue going on in here. Yes, it would help, but you would not notice it, trust me.

What would help is they fixing their shitty network coding, then with the current server-pings we would have a standard and acceptable MMO; I could live with that. Now if people considers that we need shooter-like MMOs, and PvP wants to be treated seriously and competitive, and the mechanics require faster pings, THEN it will be the time about changing datacentres.

Well last night I had the most lag I have seen in any game for many,many years. I could not dodge any attacks, now maybe like some have said in other post's that I may fall into the category of just not being very good or just a little slow... but even if that were the case, surely even a bad player can have a lucky dodge every now and again???

So for me SE has 1 month to sort whatever it is that is making what would be an awesome game into the piece of crap it is... There is no way I'm going to pay a monthly fee for something that is clearly not working....

This game is focus on Graphic rather than somethings behind the user's front end.
As a network programmer (not for game), I understand/guess a bit about the problem and think that they cannot fix this problem soon.
Unlike some "high quality" games (from blizzard) this game does not have the network compensation and all the "action logics" are acted and controlled on server.
In order to reduce the action lagging, the logic should be in client side and be controlled by server (it means that server would observe the clients actions and roll back few seconds if it detects the actions is abnormal).
To fix the problem they need to redesign the gaming network architecture of the whole game. It costs time and money, therefore they did mention the problem long time ago but not fixed it till now.
I guess I will have a long time break for the fix.

I'm having a hard time with lags too. Titan is just a matter of luck at some point.
I know the order of its attacks so I anticipate, but it can only take me so far...
I really hope SE fix this because once I start doing harder stuff with my FC i don't want to be a dead weight.
I want hard content, but I also want the means to takle it!

Did a mod ever responded to this issue? I might have missed it, but I feel like we're being ignored.

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Nope. They're ignoring it and hoping it'll go away.

Problem is the 300ms position polling. Don't know why they thought something this slow would be ok for creating content like titan. It's like being given a steak to eat and only have a butter knife to cut it with. A very dull butter knife.

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Problem is the 300ms position polling. Don't know why they thought something this slow would be ok for creating content like titan. It's like being given a steak to eat and only have a butter knife to cut it with. A very dull butter knife.

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Seems more like a spoon at this point.

Really late to the discussion here, but I suffered from the exact same latency issues described here. I'd get hit by most red AoEs well after I already moved out of them.

However, by reducing the game's resolution (tho I don't get why overlay/font size needs to be tied to that, it's never been in any other game I played), the latency and lag has since become more tolerable. I've been able to avoid the pain much more reliably, even tho the game's a lot uglier to look at now.

Likely not a concrete solution, but it might help alleviate the issues many of you are having. Hope this helps~

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..new Datacentres is probably 5% of the real...Yes, it would help, but you would not notice it, trust me.

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Having played LOTRO where they closed the EU data centre and moved the servers to NA, it was actually very noticeable. My ping went from about 50-60 to around 120-150, which on the face of things was not a problem, after all it was not an FPS & 120-150 ping is fine, in theory, however what became apparent is that the performance when having to connect to NA was less stable, less consistent, so people got more lag spikes, larger lag spikes and sometimes packet loss, in all it was very noticeable.

It was also significantly worse for those that lived in less favourable countries for connecting to NA, I live in the UK so was lucky in that regard, however we had people in our guild that were from places like Poland, Russia, etc and it was very noticeable that they were impacted more by the server move, to the point many simply quit the game.

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Having played LOTRO where they closed the EU data centre and moved the servers to NA, it was actually very noticeable. My ping went from about 50-60 to around 120-150, which on the face of things was not a problem, after all it was not an FPS & 120-150 ping is fine, in theory, however what became apparent is that the performance when having to connect to NA was less stable, less consistent, so people got more lag spikes, larger lag spikes and sometimes packet loss, in all it was very noticeable.

It was also significantly worse for those that lived in less favourable countries for connecting to NA, I live in the UK so was lucky in that regard, however we had people in our guild that were from places like Poland, Russia, etc and it was very noticeable that they were impacted more by the server move, to the point many simply quit the game.

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I will try again, for the last time... There's over 70 pages to check for INFINITE information, if people still can't see the problem, then I'll start to believe maybe the devs are in the same sac.

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Other games having EU servers and you having low pings, doesn't imply that the low ping to the other game's EU dataservers is the reason for no delay.

It IS true that EU datacentres would help, but this comes AFTER.

Having new Datacentres is probably 5% of the real and serious issue going on in here. Yes, it would help, but you would not notice it, trust me.

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Rephrasing with more evident hints:
1) Going from 200-300 ping to 50-100 -> Noticeable
2) Fixing server lag -> Noticeable

Now let's combine them
Fixing 1 and not 2 -> Noticeable
Fixing 2 and not 1 -> Noticeable
Fixing 1 and 2 -> Noticeable

And I would have liked to make the last two font sizes closer in size, and the first even smaller.

You are claiming that fixing datacentre also comes with other line quality advantages such as removal of lagspikes, etc.

There's ping, there's speed, and then there's line quality; the quality of the line that links us (anyone, be it from overseas or not, and talking about the common links, not specific ISP stuff, if your ISP sucks in general, it will obviously suck with FFXIV too) is pretty decent from what we have collected, and no one in the representative group is suffering from lagspikes (leaving apart guys affected by specific ISP throttling, etc. - I'm sorry for those issues as well, you got my support).

Even if the servers are moved to your city, you will still have game inconsistencies due to the network, you will see people stuttering/sliding when running around, you will see people "eating" AEs but having dodge them, you will see people dying to AEs then moving the corpse in a post-death miracle, your heals will still land when the tank is dead, and you will still hear the +LB bonus when this happens.

For the last time: People complaining about PING, you're talking about something completely different from what people in this thread is complaining! (and I state this assuming there is no other major issues in check, such as weird ISP management, weird client status, etc.) - We're talking about GAME DESIGN (mostly from a network perspective).

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For anyone wanting to take this issue to their social media, FFXIV keeps reposting the same "Buy what IGN calls a great MMORPG!" stuff on their Facebook as a highlight. I've made the following comment:

"Jesse David Great game. AWFUL NET CODE. Don't expect anything sort of snappy game play from this MMO. Dodging AOE and using instant cast abilities in this game are years behind the other MMOs on the market." · September 19 at 8:06am

Here's the link to advertisement I'm talking about:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f..._t=photo_reply

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Hey guys, I'm up to 7 likes! And one of them was shamefully me. If we can get 187 more it'll be most liked comment on the picture which everyone will see every time they repost the advertisement to their fans.

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Hey guys, I'm up to 7 likes! And one of them was shamefully me. If we can get 187 more it'll be most liked comment on the picture which everyone will see every time they repost the advertisement to their fans.

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That's not even fixing the issue we're having with the encounter. I don't wish to see this encounter nerfed, I just would like the random elements plaguing people in this and many other encounters to be quelled.

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I'm logged in, maybe shared with friends only, or friends of friends

Greetings all,

We appreciate your feedback on this topic. We understand the end-game is very important to all of you. We welcome you to post your thoughts about the game experience in the "Gameplay" section of the forums listed Here. Thank you.

Regards,
Xetyline

Hello everyone!

We are very sorry for the locking of the thread, that was not our intent and we deeply apologize. We are happy to re-open this thread so you can continue your discussions on End Game and share your thoughts on how we can continue to produce a game you will enjoy.

You are always free to share you feedback with us in General Discussion, but as was explained, you can also use the Gameplay section as well; rest assured our teams review the General Discussion along with all Forum Sections to gather all of your excellent ideas.

Thank you very much for your understanding and thank you for playing FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn!

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Hello everyone!

We are very sorry for the locking of the thread, that was not our intent and we deeply apologize. We are happy to re-open this thread so you can continue your discussions on End Game and share your thoughts on how we can continue to produce a game you will enjoy.

You are always free to share you feedback with us in General Discussion, but as was explained, you can also use the Gameplay section as well; rest assured our teams review the General Discussion along with all Forum Sections to gather all of your excellent ideas.

Thank you very much for your understanding and thank you for playing FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn!

-Senior Game Master/Mod Jhanaka

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ENDGAME? ENDGAME? I knew it. They didn't bother reading anything except the title.

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Hello everyone!

We are very sorry for the locking of the thread, that was not our intent and we deeply apologize. We are happy to re-open this thread so you can continue your discussions on End Game and share your thoughts on how we can continue to produce a game you will enjoy.

You are always free to share you feedback with us in General Discussion, but as was explained, you can also use the Gameplay section as well; rest assured our teams review the General Discussion along with all Forum Sections to gather all of your excellent ideas.

Thank you very much for your understanding and thank you for playing FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn!

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I hope yourself and other staff members take the time to reread some of this thread and realize this is not really about endgame but more about the AOE lagg. It is about the 300ms positioning lagg that occurs which is more noticeable at endgame.

While this affects endgame more than any other area of gameplay the issue is more about the positioning checks the servers does and the long long (300ms) delay between them.

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I hope yourself and other staff members take the time to reread some of this thread and realize this is not really about endgame but more about the AOE lagg. It is about the 300ms positioning lagg that occurs which is more noticeable at endgame.

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Quoting the above for emphasis - this issue occurs at all levels of the game but it's most noticeable at end game because that's where dodging AOEs becomes a crucial live-or-die mechanic. This is not an issue that stems from user ISPs or PC power, but from the infrequent server-side-only positional checks on players, and it needs fixing.

Sometimes I see people dying outside of AoE range, it's quite funny, because the position is obviously being updated.. it just came after getting hit lol.

Everyone is demanding SE mod to make a post in this topic and they did!
But it just not relevant post.