Square, Don't let the Community ruin this game

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Originally Posted by FinalChenz

Really?
How about you actually read what I said.

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I have and I still don't get your point. If its that you don't like using duty finder, guess what, no one is forcing you to do so. Make friends and do it with them, although your attitude suggests that might be difficult for you. Your secondary point that because you don't like duty finder you can be an asshole to people further suggests making friends is probably difficult for you.

I remember when I could run AK.

Always nice being kicked from an Easy dungeon because I dont massively over gear the content.

Now that nobody runs castrum, my only option is to hope i can get carried through garuda and titan and get relic so i can actually run for Philo tomes again.

"It is obvious to practically anyone who is fair minded that it was meant for newer players to progress. "

LOL, what a waste of time arguing with those that counter with opinionated BS.
Whatever, not even going to put much more effort in this anymore, just going to use quotes to do the typing for me. The facts have been pointed out already but who knows; maybe if people keep posting opinions long enough they'll be just as good as facts?

This is the point abridged so as to help reading comprehension:

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Originally Posted by FinalChenz

Surely it's not because "content" in this games degrades to doing the same scripted event over and over and over and over and over and over again, thus placing a very strong incentive to rush through that script as fast as possible.

"Dirty speed runners, stop being such an exploiting douche bag that ruins my DF!"
"Lol, dumb noob, you first time? Kthxbye, I need to get moar tomes per hour."

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Originally Posted by FinalChenz

If the same event is,

A) the scenic finale(s) of a story some people actually care about (or even sometimes want to relive).

B) the way to advance in endgame by repeating it to an almost torturable extent.

This alone is awful design.

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Plan facts. And, as for the purpose of the DF:

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Originally Posted by Yoshi.P

"The main purpose of the duty finder is to "be able to experience party play immediately after logging into the game.

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Despite anyone's opinion, the purpose of the DF is to make parties quickly. Doesn't matter if I happen to think it's for speed runs (I don't but w/e) or you happen to think it's for helping new players. It just makes parties quicker (and galvanizes intrinsic problems within the game).



The fallacy of pegging this on players not the game:

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Originally Posted by FinalChenz

But hey, it's always more easy to blame symptoms right?

"Divorce rates are skyrocketing!"
"Nerf woman."

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PS: Sixmp, I did quote the exact part you took out from Yoshi's message in it's exact context. Please read (or not, I may stop wasting time and not reply again anyway).
PS: Phogg, I just don't know how to make this anymore straight forward for you buddy.
PS: Everyone else, enjoy my characters beautiful face, and I hope you get my point. If not, at least enjoy your tomes.

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Originally Posted by FinalChenz

moo.

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In that article, he did mention everything you did state.

He mentions NEW players more than once. Wouldn't that fact point out in a way it is mean't for people new to MMO's to use?
Also would you agree that people who would need to use DF more are people who are more likely new to the game and have not yet joined a LS or a FC?

I do not mean to suggest that it is NOT to be used by everybody but it is going to be of more use to people who are NEW. Are people who are new going to be doing speed runs?

Therefore wouldn't that suggest that jumping in demanding people do speed runs and skip content is going against the basic principle of DF?

Which is why i said "It is obvious to practically anyone who is fair minded that it was meant for newer players to progress."
when i read the article i read it a few times to make sure i was getting the gist of what he was talking about. He added these lines at the bottom.

Therefore, I believe the duty finder is a "necessary feature for the players new to the world of MMORPGs."
I would like new players to think "Hey, that was much easier and fun that I thought it would be" after their first party experience.

Wouldn't these lines alone suggest he was thinking about new players as he even says the word NEW TWICE? At one point he was talking about a method to learn to be part of a party with other people while progressing through the main story.
The method was DF. So DF is a tool for new people to learn how to be part of a party while progressing. IE a training tool for NEW people.

We could argue that the article is being misinterpreted by either of us. It just seems more logical that people would expect people who are in LS and FC and are working on endgame would have less use for DF than people who have just started to play and are still making friends and searching for a FC/LS to go through endgame with.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

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The duty finder isn't something particular to FFXIV; it's been in other main

The problem is that the people running AK for the first time are thrown in with the other 95% of players... which are the ones who have run it already before and want to speedrun it. There isn't really a way to fix this, except that I think any smart player should go read up/watch a vid on ANY piece of content before doing it just to know what to do rather than trial and error, to save everyone's time. If not, maybe there's a helpful player to guide the new player along (I just did this tonight with a tank new to AK, in DF), but there might not be.stream MMOs and the idea is for EVERYONE to be able to pop in the game, queue for an instance, and bam go.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

The duty finder isn't something particular to FFXIV; it's been in other main

The problem is that the people running AK for the first time are thrown in with the other 95% of players... which are the ones who have run it already before and want to speedrun it. There isn't really a way to fix this, except that I think any smart player should go read up/watch a vid on ANY piece of content before doing it just to know what to do rather than trial and error, to save everyone's time. If not, maybe there's a helpful player to guide the new player along (I just did this tonight with a tank new to AK, in DF), but there might not be.stream MMOs and the idea is for EVERYONE to be able to pop in the game, queue for an instance, and bam go.

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You are right about it being a problem but not everyone wants to read guides or watch videos telling them how to beat content. That is also the problem. People insisting that their way of playing is "the" way to play.
Why should the select few who got through the content first be the only people allowed to experience it without having to know everything before hand?
Intentionally or not that is what your suggestion to fix the problem is suggesting. Did you know that 94.4444% of percentages are made up.
You see the experienced players are demanding that the NEW people bear the burden of the situation

They enter duty finder demanding that people new to the game should skip content, read guides etc. Why not leave the new people alone to experience the content just how the first people who went through the content did?

The sad thing it seems that most people are so caught up in their own in game agenda that they care very little if anyone new actually enjoys the game.

I'd be careful about saying anything about the community, they will ban you for saying there's a problem.

I understand how the OP feels, just a few days ago I got my first troll in this game. Got mad at me for being new at AK and didn't want to help me.