If someone makes a deadly boss mods type addon for ARR would you use it?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I'm sure I will, I'll be off enjoying the game while they pretend it's a full time job.

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I play this game like it's a full time job and enjoy it a lot?

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

I play this game like it's a full time job and enjoy it a lot?

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Ok that's your playstyle. Nothing wrong with that it's just not how I play the game.

I play the game to experience it, not have a program (Or person) tell me how to experience it. Hell I avoid guides/walkthroughs unless I hit a brickwall after a few attempts. I just generally enjoy playing and experiencing the whole game myself.

(Not to say DBM "Plays for you") But it definatley puts you in autopilot mode.

I think you're missing the point of that post buddy. I was saying that a lot of addons have their roots in botting. Healbot (an addon supported by Blizzard) started out as what it's name implies, a healing bot that auomated the entire healing process for you. There are likely others that fit this description, but I didn't bot enough to monitor the transitional phase from each bot to it's respective Blizzard sanctioned add-on. That one just stuck, because I find it hilarious that the program was at one point a pure botting tool and has since been revamped and became the most popular (at the time I was playing) healing add on in the game.

It's different now than it was then, but the point is the line between "illegal" bot and "legal" add on was not always so clearly defined. The two were not always mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Ok that's your playstyle. Nothing wrong with that it's just not how I play the game.

I play the game to experience it, not have a program (Or person) tell me how to experience it. Hell I avoid guides/walkthroughs unless I hit a brickwall after a few attempts. I just generally enjoy playing and experiencing the whole game myself.

(Not to say DBM "Plays for you") But it definatley puts you in autopilot mode.

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Ahh I see what you are saying.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

I think I put in about the same amount of hours as I did for FF9 completing the game (osmo/hades/basically 100% completing the game).

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How the hell did it take you 2 and a half months to complete FFIX 100%?

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Originally Posted by Shougun

A bot must automate an action. An alarm is not a bot. Moving you to the location or forcing you not to move would be a bot.

If DBM played the game for you, it is a bot - but I doubt that DBM did anything besides assess the situation. Just like players do, we killed X lets kill Y now. Should ban the player for botting. No help can be given what so ever.

"Hey you need to cast fire on these monsters"
"Thanks, but I'm going to have to report you to a GM now for botting"

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"Hey you need to move left" Giant left arrow on screen with an alarm.
"Hey you need to move right" Giant right arrow on screen with an alarm.

People talking to other people... requires human interaction, your trying to say a human doing something and a machine doing something is the same thing, when you call a business do you really enjoy those automated answering machines where you have to select option after option? Oh I bet you do.

When the human aspect is removed, its automated, the addon(bot) telling you where to go, and to get out of the fire is automated. You having the option to listen to said bot is like telling the answering machine no and hanging up, its still automated.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

How the hell did it take you 2 and a half months to complete FFIX 100%?

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Played it casually?

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

"Hey you need to move left" Giant left arrow on screen with an alarm.
"Hey you need to move right" Giant right arrow on screen with an alarm.

People talking to other people... requires human interaction, your trying to say a human doing something and a machine doing something is the same thing, when you call a business do you really enjoy those automated answering machines where you have to select option after option? Oh I bet you do.

When the human aspect is removed, its automated, the addon(bot) telling you where to go, and to get out of the fire is automated. You having the option to listen to said bot is like telling the answering machine no and hanging up, its still automated.

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Actually I've had some really smart automated answer machines that took me exactly where I wanted instantly.

The arrows still dont make it a bot, but I dont like the idea of the arrows (the mod I remember basically just alarmed and said what spell the boss was doing).

Even then by how you are thinking then macros being bots and the interface being a bot because it automates calcualation of your health, mana, and tp.

Your perfect MMO would be a no button hell. I disagree and woulnt play or pay for that.

If you insist on calling everything a bot then fine, they are bots. But you have a lot of bots already in the game from SE then.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Played it casually?

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That's still a very long time.

Like... pouring 5 hours a week into it, that's 60 hours or so right there.

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Originally Posted by Levian

I think you're missing the point of that post buddy. I was saying that a lot of addons have their roots in botting. Healbot (an addon supported by Blizzard) started out as what it's name implies, a healing bot that auomated the entire healing process for you. There are likely others that fit this description, but I didn't bot enough to monitor the transitional phase from each bot to it's respective Blizzard sanctioned add-on. That one just stuck, because I find it hilarious that the program was at one point a pure botting tool and has since been revamped and became the most popular (at the time I was playing) healing add on in the game.

It's different now than it was then, but the point is the line between "illegal" bot and "legal" add on was not always so clearly defined. The two were not always mutually exclusive.

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Sure but they are not the same either. Its like a hacker that becomes a game designer - his games arent hacks. But it is a school story when talking about hacks.

I wouldnt have taken it as such if you didnt say "Actually". Like I am wrong. Addons sanctioned by the mmos that I've at least heard of are prohibited from completing botting like actions.