Seems like alot of people want this game to become Free 2 Play. >.>

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Originally Posted by Deakka

A cash shop could work provided you are UNABLE to buy power (think of WoW's sparkle ponies/pets).

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That's the key to it all. Cosmetic items only and there is no problem. You don't have to buy anything but if you wanted, you could be 'rewarded' by looking unique.

What argument exactly? All I can see is a bunch of people who are desperately trying to justify subscription fees, and dropping generalizations on any game that want's to do away with it. XIV players are probably the most annoying group of fanboys I've ever come across. It was never this bad with XI.

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Originally Posted by A5ko

I would have agreed with you maybe 6 months ago, but now we have behemoths in the games industry discussing F2P options as the only way forward. E3 highlighted the sheer amount of F2P games coming out and their popularity. Things like League of Legends are making a killing and this is obviously appealing to a business intent on making money.

The decline of subscriptions for subbed games is a wake up call for many. I was surprised at just how quickly SWTOR lost millions of players. If it was F2P from the start, then it would have had more people willing to stick with it, without the loss of money.

I'm not going to continue arguing with folks though. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, I do dislike people making sweeping generalisations of a game based on one bad experience with another game however.

I'm not for Pay to Win, but anything that is enjoyable and polished will always be worth a look from myself regardless of pay structure.

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I'll admit, I've never looked at the sales numbers for these games, but free to play won't do well unless the game mechanics are built in a way that compliments it. You can't just ignore the game mechanics when you make your method of payment is a part of the game itself, and I'm willing to bet that's why SWTOR went down. Because it was trying to incorporate a free to play model when it didn't fit.

If FFXIV does become free to play, it will likely fail unless the game is remade all over again.

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Word of the day ^.^

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

I'll admit, I've never looked at the sales numbers for these games, but free to play won't do well unless the game mechanics are built in a way that compliments it. You can't just ignore the game mechanics when you make your method of payment is a part of the game itself, and I'm willing to bet that's why SWTOR went down. Because it was trying to incorporate a free to play model when it didn't fit.

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SWTOR is being made F2P (with certain restrictions) to try and revive the player base. It was dropping long before F2P even came into it. The Secret World has also started to do some F2P weekends to get some interest as it just isn't doing as well as hoped.

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Originally Posted by Keisuna

If FFXIV does become free to play, it will likely fail unless the game is remade all over again.

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This is where we can disagree. It could be that the only way to get players back is by making it F2P. Think about how many left after the charging was brought back in following launch.

FFXIV 2.0 has a bigger uphill struggle than most MMO's as this is a second relaunch. Some people will just stay stubborn and refuse to try the new game, when it could be pretty amazing. Just like those on these boards who see all F2P as just another terrible game.

If FFXIV went F2P right now, as in tomorrow, would you say it was a failed game and stop playing? I wouldn't because F2P doesn't automatically mean crap.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

What argument exactly? All I can see is a bunch of people who are desperately trying to justify subscription fees, and dropping generalizations on any game that want's to do away with it. XIV players are probably the most annoying group of fanboys I've ever come across. It was never this bad with XI.

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Maybe you just never visited an XI fansite the idiots were full on there as well.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

And added a lot of time 2,500 Zen will cost over over 200,000 Dilithium (possibly closer to the 1mil mark) this will take ages to farm though mining, STF, daily events etc. So its devote all your time to the game or spend the £20 per ship, the dilithium exchange is designed as a top up not to replace buying Zen.

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just do events and fleet actions from the content finder they have implemented, and borg warzones, they are repeatable quest. its really not hard and the time invested in farming them is rightly so if you choose to get them without paying cash. 1200 crystals per run.

Get Players back because it has the word "Free" in it.. of course most people will pounce on something that's "Free" :p ( Unless its like an Used Burger on the Street) :P.

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Originally Posted by A5ko

SWTOR is being made F2P (with certain restrictions) to try and revive the player base. It was dropping long before F2P even came into it. The Secret World has also started to do some F2P weekends to get some interest as it just isn't doing as well as hoped.



This is where we can disagree. It could be that the only way to get players back is by making it F2P. Think about how many left after the charging was brought back in following launch.

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This part is false cause Yoshi-p stated they gained more active players when the game started to sub. I know for a fact my ls got over 200+ members coming back after subs all of them were from GAF.

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Originally Posted by Firon

This part is false cause Yoshi-p stated they gained more active players when the game started to sub. I know for a fact my ls got over 200+ members coming back after subs all of them were from GAF.

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Yes, but people still left. It couldn't justify it's price to some people. When you now compare active subscribers to other MMO's you see a chunk of players it could have had if maybe it were still free.