Give back pre-DT models back NOW

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Originally Posted by BunnyQueen

Eyes are too dead and the eye shape needs work.

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I've seen this "dead eyes" comment a few times. To me they look more alive than ever so I'm genuinely curious, in what way do you think they look dead? What would you like them to look like? Do you have an example you could share?

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I've seen this "dead eyes" comment a few times. To me they look more alive than ever so I'm genuinely curious, in what way do you think they look dead? What would you like them to look like? Do you have an example you could share?

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Can only speak for Keeper-eyes but I dislike that the pupils got brighter. That leads to
a) cloudy looking eyes (like a Cataract)
b) less contrast between pupil and iris that can make the eyes appear "dead" in certain lighting conditions.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Can only speak for Keeper-eyes but I dislike that the pupils got brighter. That leads to
a) cloudy looking eyes (like a Cataract)
b) less contrast between pupil and iris that can make the eyes appear "dead" in certain lighting conditions.

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I see, I took a look at your profile picture and it does look strange that the pupil is a shade of the iris. So that wasn't always the case?

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Originally Posted by lunartears

Excuse me for replying as I'm not the same person, but my Au Ra has a great example of dead eyes:

https://i.imgur.com/iT8AUB9.png

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Thank you for replying. Could you elaborate on what makes them look dead to you? Is it just the lack of a catchlight on the right one?

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I see, I took a look at your profile picture and it does look strange that the pupil is a shade of the iris. So that wasn't always the case?

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Eh, Forum profile pics are no good.

Instead of black, the pupils look grey, which gives them a "clouded" look in game.
It's a simple matter of the diffuse texture being too bright in that area. Grey instead of closer to black.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Forums have completely devolved. We need more mods in here to get things back to being civilized.

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when did u turn into a pig

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Originally Posted by lunartears

In the case of my example, the enlarged pupils, the higher position of the iris (as opposed to being in the center before) and way that the eye texture appears are the main reasons. While not necessarily something I have thought about too much, the catchlight probably plays a factor too.

I find the reasoning for the "dead eyes" is different per race but it usually boils down to the eye texture and iris position, (in the case of the pupil size it has only been scaled much larger on Female Au Ra). I would say the dead eye look is most visible to me on Hyur and Au Ra.

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Got it. Well I can't lie and say I agree with the eyes looking dead, but I have a much better understanding of where people are coming from on that issue now. Thank you for the explanation!

EDIT: I haven't been able to find another picture of the iris position being different. Is it only on specific faces?

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Eh, Forum profile pics are no good.

Instead of black, the pupils look grey, which gives them a "clouded" look in game.
It's a simple matter of the diffuse texture being too bright in that area. Grey instead of closer to black.

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I see, well I'll have to take your word for it then. That does sound like it would look very odd.

I mostly just have problem with the lack of black nose on face 4 lalas and the skin shine on dark skin being too intense.
Besides that I'm fine with model changes, they really aren't that bad.

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Originally Posted by Aurumis

Why are now people insulting this thread and the people who want the models fixed. Go away if you don't agree.

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I can tell you why. Some people act like serious egoists. They want their way of designs and likes, but shit on those, who are actually happy with the new update.
One might say, it's great that you care so much about your models, but most posters forget one important thing. If SE changes something - will inevitable lead to the next wave of people that want the changes reversed. Something YOU might not like, might be in favor for others. Instead of demanding the return of old textures, people could ask for more creator options, but I dont see that.

Well, this how the thread started, didnt it?

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I can tell you why. Some people act like serious egoists. They want their way of designs and likes, but shit on those, who are actually happy with the new update.
One might say, it's great that you care so much about your models, but most posters forget one important thing. If SE changes something - will inevitable lead to the next wave of people that want the changes reversed. Something YOU might not like, might be in favor for others. Instead of demanding the return of old textures, people could ask for more creator options, but I dont see that.

Well, this how the thread started, didnt it?

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Outside of this thread, which I personally very rarely tune into because I think asking for the old models is a lost cause, there are threads popping up asking for more customization options and I think the general consensus in the main discussion megathread is that adding more customization would be a good compromise.

Here's two threads that immediately come to mind. I encourage more people to voice their support, be it by commenting or making new threads entirely!
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-customization
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...es-we-once-had

My only complaint is that we still have octagonal legs. SE, can we get some round legs, please?