A game for 4 year olds

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Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

Yeah that's exactly how one of WoW's expansions started, and said expansion saw an absolutely enormous drop in players that the game still hasn't recovered from 4 years later. Destroying beloved people and places simply for misery porn is a horrible idea, and there's already a perfect example of the consequences it would have on the game to show just how bad an idea it is.

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Thank you for explaining why those of us who were into Garlemald, Ascians, Ancients, and traditional fantasy sort of locations and themes feel slighted by the way current FFXIV is going. Yoshi bulldozed it all to make room for what? A pale excuse for an FFIV crossover and the permanent handicapping of this game's afterlife and outer space lore?

Genius move. Yoshi really took a page out of Afrasiabi's book and integrated it into the game several times over and in the worst ways possible.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Cleretic and you both have ideas that are both fine for how to move forward, and there are probably lots more on the table.

The problem with losing the light becomes one of what next? What happens after we invariably get super strong again? We can probably pull a megaman and lose all our powers once before it feels cheap..and we kinda already did in Heavansward.

For me, I think the simplest thing is to do what they do to Superman- he’s super powerful sure, but he can’t be everywhere at once. A lot of tension to be had when you can’t save everyone.

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Something to point out with saying 'we should just lose the Blessing of Light' is they already did that once, and the fact that doesn't seem to occur to people suggesting it is evidence that won't really hit, because it's commonly forgotten that they already pulled that, and I think all it really did was give Nabriales the confidence to come die to us. In fact, if they pull that it's likely to do even less than it did before, since primals and Ascians both are less of a problem now; the hell are we gonna use the Blessing against? A particularly menacing gigantoad?

I don't usually like comparing us to Superman, but I do like that notion of 'we can't be everywhere' as a way to heighten tension; there's appeal in making something out of the fact that for once we aren't somewhere when shit goes really far south. I still think they don't need to do anything to factor in our beefiness when what they really need to focus on is actually selling what we're going up against as a legitimate threat, but just in terms of doing new and interesting things, yeah, pulling the 'you can't protect everyone at once' is an untilled field, and not one without merit.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Thank you for explaining why those of us who were into Garlemald, Ascians, Ancients, and traditional fantasy sort of locations and themes feel slighted by the way current FFXIV is going. Yoshi bulldozed it all to make room for what? A pale excuse for an FFIV crossover and the permanent handicapping of this game's afterlife and outer space lore?

Genius move. Yoshi really took a page out of Afrasiabi's book and integrated it into the game several times over and in the worst ways possible.

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Personally, I find it the exact opposite. I loved the FFIV references in EW, was smiling my whole way through the moon, especially when the FFIV battle theme kicked in while fighting in Bestways Burrow, and I don't see anything at all as "handicapped" for the future. The remix of the FFIV boss theme used in the Scarmiglione fight is also one of just a couple remixes of past FF songs that I've liked just as much or more than the originals (the piano version of Cyan's theme used as part of the Tsukuyomi fight is the other).

Genuine question for you that others have asked, but you either didn't see if you have them on ignore or just chose to ignore anyway: You seem to truly hate absolutely everything about this game and find nothing enjoyable...why do you remain subbed?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Thank you for explaining why those of us who were into Garlemald, Ascians, Ancients, and traditional fantasy sort of locations and themes feel slighted by the way current FFXIV is going. Yoshi bulldozed it all to make room for what? A pale excuse for an FFIV crossover and the permanent handicapping of this game's afterlife and outer space lore?

Genius move. Yoshi really took a page out of Afrasiabi's book and integrated it into the game several times over and in the worst ways possible.

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This doesn't even make sense. The poster was responding with a description of one of the past WoW expansions -- the equivalent to that which you'd like to see, and noted that such misery turned off players in droves, not that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Garlemald? You can enjoy the rebuilding as/when it happens in-game or off-screen. That worked well for years for Blizzard.
Ascians/Ancients? We've received the blessings of both Emet-Selch and Hythlodeus.
Traditional fantasy? Which particular Final Fantasy titles have you been playing that were "traditional" fantasy?
Handicapping the afterlife? Didn't you watch the cut scenes early in the game (post level 50, but still ...) about the movement of souls and the aether of the life stream?
Outer-space lore? We've been to the moon and the edge of the Universe. There may be nothing else, since our favorite bluebird seemed to imply that it was all gone. This game has never been Star Trek:Next Generation, and never will.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

This doesn't even make sense. The poster was responding with a description of one of the past WoW expansions -- the equivalent to that which you'd like to see, and noted that such misery turned off players in droves, not that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Garlemald? You can enjoy the rebuilding as/when it happens in-game or off-screen. That worked well for years for Blizzard.
Ascians/Ancients? We've received the blessings of both Emet-Selch and Hythlodeus.
Traditional fantasy? Which particular Final Fantasy titles have you been playing that were "traditional" fantasy?
Handicapping the afterlife? Didn't you watch the cut scenes early in the game (post level 50, but still ...) about the movement of souls and the aether of the life stream?
Outer-space lore? We've been to the moon and the edge of the Universe. There may be nothing else, since our favorite bluebird seemed to imply that it was all gone. This game has never been Star Trek:Next Generation, and never will.

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What do you expect when he's a little 12 year old kid who lacks reading comprehension. He should read some fantasy novels for preteens to broaden his horizon and improve his comprehension. Or go back to WoW since their idea of storytelling matches what he likes to see.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Thank you for explaining why those of us who were into Garlemald, Ascians, Ancients, and traditional fantasy sort of locations and themes feel slighted by the way current FFXIV is going. Yoshi bulldozed it all to make room for what? A pale excuse for an FFIV crossover and the permanent handicapping of this game's afterlife and outer space lore?

Genius move. Yoshi really took a page out of Afrasiabi's book and integrated it into the game several times over and in the worst ways possible.

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This is a Final Fantasy game. Most of those games have the characters we play as the good guys fighting against the bad guys. Its not the devs problem that you like two of the bad factions in this game. Its quite fine to like villians btw. (Before someone says I said that its bad to do so...) But one also has to accept that they are the enemy and that there is no chance that we somehow join them and destroy the world.

At no point in the many expansions we had, did they hint of that possibility. This is a straight hero story. Always has been.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

but the Omicrons are deadpan but thoughtful in a way that allows for introspective thought when that's called for

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The questline only allows for introspective thought if you have the mental capacity of a 4 year old. Otherwise you should have grown out of such nonsensical drivel already.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Cleretic and you both have ideas that are both fine for how to move forward, and there are probably lots more on the table.

The problem with losing the light becomes one of what next? What happens after we invariably get super strong again? We can probably pull a megaman and lose all our powers once before it feels cheap..and we kinda already did in Heavansward.

For me, I think the simplest thing is to do what they do to Superman- he’s super powerful sure, but he can’t be everywhere at once. A lot of tension to be had when you can’t save everyone.

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I think you're right on the money with this one. Granted we still have 3 major patches before 7.0, but the fact we are playing around on another shard forces us into a situation where we aren't on the source taking care of the problems that will arise there. A rebellion in old Garlemald territories against the remaining ruling legions, Hingashi's next political move now the Empire is fallen, the threat of the relics that Lyon and Noah have obtained, and whatever Golbez's crusade is really about and his true identity--all potential plot points (not mention something straight out of left field) we really don't have hand on as the WOL, because we are just trying to save a dragon from the 13th. That's super limited in scope storywise for a game this big.

The story has to take us down a peg to build tension and suspense but doesn't really require us being de-powered to accomplish it. Clearly being on another plane of existence while crap goes down somewhere else is the play they're going with. And I, for one, am excited to be surprised.

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Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier

Yeah that's exactly how one of WoW's expansions started, and said expansion saw an absolutely enormous drop in players that the game still hasn't recovered from 4 years later. Destroying beloved people and places simply for misery porn is a horrible idea, and there's already a perfect example of the consequences it would have on the game to show just how bad an idea it is.

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Yeah... post-apocalyptic areas can be really fun to run around, but smashing up everything for the sake of drama feels cheap.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Something to point out with saying 'we should just lose the Blessing of Light' is they already did that once, and the fact that doesn't seem to occur to people suggesting it is evidence that won't really hit, because it's commonly forgotten that they already pulled that, and I think all it really did was give Nabriales the confidence to come die to us. In fact, if they pull that it's likely to do even less than it did before, since primals and Ascians both are less of a problem now; the hell are we gonna use the Blessing against? A particularly menacing gigantoad?

I don't usually like comparing us to Superman, but I do like that notion of 'we can't be everywhere' as a way to heighten tension; there's appeal in making something out of the fact that for once we aren't somewhere when shit goes really far south. I still think they don't need to do anything to factor in our beefiness when what they really need to focus on is actually selling what we're going up against as a legitimate threat, but just in terms of doing new and interesting things, yeah, pulling the 'you can't protect everyone at once' is an untilled field, and not one without merit.

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That feels like the route the game might be taking in the future; granted, I'd prefer we take care of everything on the Source first before moving on to other shards, but I'll take what we can get.

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Originally Posted by Travel

That feels like the route the game might be taking in the future; granted, I'd prefer we take care of everything on the Source first before moving on to other shards, but I'll take what we can get.

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Honestly, we don't even need something that big; we just need two things to happen at once, anywhere, to split our focus. Especially if someone thinks to knock out an aetheryte (which we already know works from Stormblood), or one of those events is far enough away from one in the first place.

And a bit of an 'unseen storm' character would certainly be new. I feel like to some, the fact Zenos and Ran'jit were quantifiable foes that they could theoretically win fights against made it hard to swallow actually losing to them, but going up against someone who's won before we even turn up would really build up some mystery.