Building a better Alphinaud

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And my goodness wouldn't it have been nice if we had a party as diverse as them instead of a bunch white-haired scholars who nod and agree with each other on everything.

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Thancred may have grown up in Sharlayan, but a scholar he isn't. Likewise Alisaie, whose typical response to a problem is "kill it". We also have Estinien, who is a warrior. Likewise, despite being scholars, it's not as if the Scions actually agree uniformly on every matter.

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Thancred may have grown up in Sharlayan, but a scholar he isn't. Likewise Alisaie, whose typical response to a problem is "kill it". We also have Estinien, who is a warrior. Likewise, despite being scholars, it's not as if the Scions actually agree uniformly on every matter.

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There's surface level disagreement but when all is said and done they end up doing whatever Alphinaud desires in the end. Which, I suspect, is a major contributing factor to the reasoning behind this thread.

All of this has been explained many times before, though, from what I recall. So if you want to agree to disagree, then that's perfectly fine.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm mostly concerned with the Japanese, European and American takes on what 'classically handsome' and 'ruggedly handsome' mean rather than what it means based on obscure cultures or different time periods.

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Pretty sure the Japanese notion of "classically handsome" is pretty much exactly what we're getting. Japan has usually considered men with lean figures, fashionable dress and well-kempt hair to be their ideal of handsomeness. Likewise, even somewhere as broad "Europe" has often considered soft features as handsome. Adonis in Classical myth has often been held as the pinnacle of male beauty, and even looking into Norse and Celtic myth, we have Balder and Cuchulain, who are often praised for their youthful looks and beauty.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Those who want to hyper focus on that sort of thing and push for it are more than welcome to do so. I'm sure most people are well aware of what I mean when requesting for at least one of our close companions to look like Gladio, Basch, Jecht or Snow. I find the general aesthetics and character design to be far more agreeable in FFVIIR and many of the more recent and modern single player titles, personally.

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I mean, sure. There can always be more variety (and less white hair), but this doesn't change the fact that Urianger, Thancred and Estinien have widely different types of features and facial hair.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

As for the final role quest, it's a step in the right direction but it's hidden away in side content locked behind yet more side content and that sort of dynamic is rarely present in the MSQ's which makes up the meat of the game. It also didn't really commit to actually having diverse viewpoints since it honed in on the very one that the protagonists would benefit from and support the most.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's surface level disagreement but when all is said and done they end up doing whatever Alphinaud desires in the end. Which, I suspect, is a major contributing factor to the reasoning behind this thread.

All of this has been explained many times before, though, from what I recall. So if you want to agree to disagree, then that's perfectly fine.

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Again, what this sounds like basically creating conflict against the protagonists for no real reason.

And sure. Agree to disagree if you like.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's surface level disagreement but when all is said and done they end up doing whatever Alphinaud desires in the end. Which, I suspect, is a major contributing factor to the reasoning behind this thread.

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Well, what Alphinaud believes in this case is the essentially, the ideas of Louisoix -the founding principles of the Circle of Knowing and later the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. Most of the members were recruited by Louisoix in the first place because he thought they would accept his ideas.

Is it really a problem that the members of the Scions agree with thier organization's own ideology? (Which again, is less about universal republicanism and more to do with international cooperation and collaboration.)

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

Well, what Alphinaud believes in this case is the essentially, the ideas of Louisoix -the founding principles of the Circle of Knowing and later the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. Most of the members were recruited by Louisoix in the first place because he thought they would accept his ideas.

Is it really a problem that the members of the Scions agree with thier organization's own ideology? (Which again, is less about universal republicanism and more to do with international cooperation and collaboration.)

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I would imagine that if you're inherently skeptical of "globalization" as a concept, the Circle's ideals would seem annoying. And considering that the demand a few pages ago was for "more isolationist" countries like Hingashi or old Ishgard, I think that's precisely what the "problem" is.

They should learn the marketing when designing the characters so that they are rugged looking to the player wants. Best example is Jack from Stranger of Paradise. They study proto European culture to understand what makes the strong man and made the famous Final Fantasy trailers out of it.

Bioware manager predicted all the problem with Japanese Roleplaying Game evolution many years ago in 2009 and had to laugh at how better the game they make were to Japan. With kindness to help they make the Mass Effect Andromeda to teach good way to write the stories. Only now is time for Final Fantasy to understand.

Important in making the man is scar and blood. Scars shows that he has been in fights before it helps with making rugged. If you give too much books it makes character look like the arrogant politics student in university drinking the expensive coffee rather than traditional warrior.

Here I have given the example.

Bio: Alphanaud was born with a special power. He was stronger than all his classmates in the Sharlayan Fighting Acadamy. He served in the Sharlayan military fighting Zenos and in the final battel against Zenos they were fighting and Zenos turned him to the darkness and Alphanaud turned on Graha and killed him. He lost a part of his ear in the battel is why he doesn't have a part of his ear.
Likes: Hurting people, grunting, motorcycles, earrings, metal, phone with metal rock
Dislikes: Burgers, school, people who disagree with the thread

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

I would imagine that if you're inherently skeptical of "globalization" as a concept, the Circle's ideals would seem annoying. And considering that the demand a few pages ago was for "more isolationist" countries like Hingashi or old Ishgard, I think that's precisely what the "problem" is.

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I have my gripes with more than a few characters in the game, as well as the story in general, but this isn't one of them. It's nice seeing a world come together like it does in this game, though it's definitely not realistic by any means. But it's a nice change of pace from the real world, I will give it that.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

Well, what Alphinaud believes in this case is the essentially, the ideas of Louisoix -the founding principles of the Circle of Knowing and later the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. Most of the members were recruited by Louisoix in the first place because he thought they would accept his ideas.

Is it really a problem that the members of the Scions agree with thier organization's own ideology?

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Their ideology has made the world less interesting with each nation they ruin. What we need now are characters as far removed from the scions as possible.

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Originally Posted by Graeham

Bio: Alphonaud was born with a special power. He was stronger than all his classmates in the Sharlayan Fighting Acadamy. He served in the Sharlayan military fighting Zenos and in the final battel against Zenos they were fighting and Zenos turned him to the darkness and Alphonaud turned on Graha and killed him. He lost a part of his ear in the battel is why he doesn't have a part of his ear.

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Aw, i liked "Alphanaud" better. It made me imagine Alphinaud as a fully grown Roelezen.

I am sorry I am still learning. I will go back to fix the post.