Parsing unfair but okay?

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Originally Posted by Dracosavarian

It isn’t so much the top part that covers the discussion at hand, but rather, the last two sentences.

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The relevance here, I believe, is: "They're not enforcing one part of that section entirely, the one that's arguably more important to enforce and affects a much larger proportion of the playerbase. Why would they enforce the other part?"

I recommend getting good. Then you won't have to worry about being rejected by statics.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

The thing is if you do that, people will instead assume you're trying to hide bad performance and judge you anyways so you can't really win either way unless you're willing to actively grind out parse runs which will still inevitably be "not good enough" for someone out there if they aren't orange.

Had multiple PFs back in Stormblood that straight up refused to queue into the instance until I unhid my performance, but thankfully I was "good enough" by their standards.

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Far more often than not, people who hide their logs are doing so because they have horrendous performances they don't want anyone to know about. Having a couple random greys because someone uploaded a Normal or 24 man won't matter to anyone you'd want to associate with. Completely hiding your logs makes it so the group you're joining has no point of reference. They have to simply take you at your word. Unfortunately, a lot of people lie.

Of course, there are exceptions. I know a speed killer who keeps her logs hidden despite achieving some top five performances but that is extremely rare.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Yea I'd like to think that if all the logs you have over time show an improvement that will matter a lot more than individual bad logs.

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They undoubtedly will. One of the first things I look for during static recruitment is your percentile trajectory and consistency. One orange is a sea of greens tells me you aren't improving but simply got really luck one run where a health amount of low purples shows you have a finer gripe on your job but haven't quite hit the high end potential. There's room to grow.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Far more often than not, people who hide their logs are doing so because they have horrendous performances they don't want anyone to know about. Having a couple random greys because someone uploaded a Normal or 24 man won't matter to anyone you'd want to associate with. Completely hiding your logs makes it so the group you're joining has no point of reference. They have to simply take you at your word. Unfortunately, a lot of people lie.

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In addition to this, while recruiting I find a lot of people who hide their logs generally have really irrational feelings or anxiety surrounding discussions of performance, which is NOT a good characteristic for someone joining a raidgroup.

I've encountered some really insane hostility from people whom I've prodded about their hidden logs during recruitment. It almost feels like people like that apply to groups just to fish for reactions that confirm their bias and feed their outrage.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

for arguments sake lets assume the thread is not just Bait, saying one has raided for x amount of time and simply has no logs at all because they can't/don't want to parse is more than a little bit iffy.
reality is that most groups will have someone parse and upload logs, if not to brag than for analysing purposes. even if no one i personally know would have uploaded a single log i would still have several logs for some older ex primals, and i basically never actively joined random groups to do the kills but mostly jumped in if a buddy of mine was like "hey, we still need 1 guy to fill in, you up?"

same goes for normal mode kills, which while not really great a metric do give you at least a vague idea of someones performance if they average purple+ compared to someone with more than 5 normal mode logs which are all grey aswell as a single no death 7% ex kill.

if you have no logs at all, like literally zero logs for old or current content even though you claim to have experience reaching back at least a complete expansion than i'll just assume you either lie and have no experiences at all or you have your logs hidden and draw my conclusions from there, and i assure you theres a 99% chance of being right in my assessment with that approach. Now "bad" logs are an entirely different story, unless someones logs are flat out terrible over a long enough period 90% of groups will simply throw you a bone and ask why exactly your logs are as bad they are and give you a trial run.

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Just to add a bit to this. Some groups will keep their logs unranked. Reasons will vary and won't always be good but it's a thing. Same groups usually don't fill when they have an absentee either (from my experience). They just reschedule. And members are even less likely to pug or join other groups. So it's plausible that someone could have 0 logs for a tier. I've also seen some decent players come from such statics (they generally aren't the ones that drive the unranking of logs). It takes 5 seconds to clear this up with said player if they apply for your static though. And they can generally produce a handful of unranked log links for you if needed. Not that that's particularly useful.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

The funniest part of all of this is watching these same types of people play any video game that isn't an MMO and seeing them get filtered within the first 10 minutes. Turns out they were just using addons as a crutch for being having poor reaction times and lacking basic problem solving skills, and when they can't use them, they can't play. All that tough talk is just cope for needing third party tools to hold their hand in a video game. As someone who has mostly played action games and puzzle-solving games (cranking the difficulty to maximum possible) all my life I have never understood the need for third party tools to basically dumb down the game for me, let alone flexing about it on the internet. FFXIV's fights revolve around having good reaction times, being able to read telegraphed attacks, and having bare minimum problem solving skills to be able to decipher certain mechanics that aren't just obvious telegraphed attacks but require you to pay attention and use your brain, alongside knowing your job and how to perform it correctly.

If you need any sort of addon to raid in this game, I'm sorry, but you are legitimately a bad player. To me, were I forming a static, it's more of a red flag that you use them then if you don't. If you need some third party internet tool to tell you if you're playing badly or not I don't want you anywhere near my raids.

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checked ur page xd that was a mistake. this post makes sense now. lol

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

The relevance here, I believe, is: "They're not enforcing one part of that section entirely, the one that's arguably more important to enforce and affects a much larger proportion of the playerbase. Why would they enforce the other part?"

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That you know of. If you have statistics and logistics on what Square Enix has, and has not enforced in regards to their Terms of Service, I’m open to hearing it.

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Originally Posted by Dracosavarian

That you know of. If you have statistics and logistics on what Square Enix has, and has not enforced in regards to their Terms of Service, I’m open to hearing it.

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Statistics, of course not. But it’s fairly common knowledge that a lot of the crafting/gathering and PvP bots continue to go unpunished in this game.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Statistics, of course not. But it’s fairly common knowledge that a lot of the crafting/gathering and PvP bots continue to go unpunished in this game.

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Perception is not often the reality of the situation as a whole. It is only one side of the coin, seen from an external viewpoint and, demonstrably in this case, the one that is the least informed in regards to the question at hand.

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Originally Posted by Dracosavarian

Perception is not often the reality of the situation as a whole. It is only one side of the coin, seen from an external viewpoint and, demonstrably in this case, the one that is the least informed in regards to the question at hand.

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There is a ring of crafting and gathering bots on my server that have been reported multiple times since Stormblood—and nothing has ever been done about them. They have continued to happily bot away unabated. The only comeuppance one got wasn’t even from SE but from someone hacking their account, deleting their FC, and spending all their gil. Pardon if I don’t have the most favorable view of the enforcement of the ToS with regards to this.

That said, ToS or not, it’s common knowledge that parsers are don’t ask, don’t tell. Multiple big name streamers openly display them on their Twitch channels, and they aren’t reported or banned for them. Yoshida knows that parsers keep the raids relevant beyond getting gear, so he’s not going to advocate massive enforcement of banning players that use them. It’s truly astounding the number of people in this thread that advocate blindly reporting people out of nothing but pure vindictiveness, and then act as if they are the righteous ones in this situation. GCBTW, indeed.