FFXIV 6.0 comes out December 7th. Pre-release is December 3rd

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Originally Posted by Anonicat

Neither can I. And if Endwalker released on the 19th. I still couldn't take off the time. It's black friday week, and that means everyone has to work. No exceptions, unless medical.

I still won't be able to take time off for Endwalker even with the Delay.

And I'd say im not really rude. But how many times must people learn taking time off for a video game, when there is a chance a game might get delayed.. gonna have to happen until people learn?

Feel however you want. But when taking PTO for a video game off, put in more thought than just. Developers said it releases now.. so i take PTO off then. Look at the trends off them delaying stuff, what the world is going through, and what their developers are going through probably mentally to just get this expansion out to people unbroken.

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I don't know what you think you're accomplishing besides to obnoxiously talk down to someone for no good reason. Take a break.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

No I think I win.

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*shakes fist*

@all the people saying "but did you see yoshi-p cry on stream doe": yes we did. We feel bad for him because we know the stress he must be going through. No one is blaming him, but him being upset doesn't suddenly invalidate everyone's complaints. Because Yoshi-P is a developer in FFXIV. He doesn't own FFXIV. The company, Square Enix, does.

And as a company, if they set a deadline at which the game will be released, it's their responsibility to make sure they meet it.

SPECIALLY since content was cut in order to meet this deadline, and specially with the amount of attention the game's been getting lately.

Hire more people, reassing people from other teams, push back the OCE server release, spend less resources in promoting the game and more in actually developing the game, DO NOT kidnap the game's head developer into developing another game no one asked for nor cared for more than a decade (because it's time Square Enix faces the reality that no one cares about main line FF games anymore after 3 failures). And if the world suddenly exploding is still causing you issues early on in the development cycle push the release date back then and there just to be safe, not 2 weeks before the deadline.

Anywho that's my 2 "wow u so toxic" cents. wks are welcome

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

I don't know what you think you're accomplishing besides to obnoxiously talk down to someone for no good reason. Take a break.

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I mean, isn't that what people are doing towards the devs too?...

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Hire more people, e

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In game dev it's not always that simple, in some cases too many cooks can even make it worse.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

That's exactly where I'm at. I don't care about the delay at all, but did they really think that waiting until the Live Letter was the way to go about it? It just put a cloud on the rest of it, because I felt a sudden panic as I have to explain to my FC/static that I will need special handling to be on the same page as them.

It's not game breaking, enjoyment destroying, or going to make me resentful of SE. It's just aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that they sat on this information for so long and used it as the opening message before a highly anticipated Live Letter.

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I pretty much missed the first section of the LL 'cause I was busy drafting a big ol apology and request message to my boss to get the PTO that I HOUNDED her to get settled for the 19th (retail, holiday rush, blackout days etc.) fixed.
The delay is whatever, would've probably lined up better for me, but this short notice is gonna be killer. :(

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

That's exactly where I'm at. I don't care about the delay at all, but did they really think that waiting until the Live Letter was the way to go about it? It just put a cloud on the rest of it, because I felt a sudden panic as I have to explain to my FC/static that I will need special handling to be on the same page as them.

It's not game breaking, enjoyment destroying, or going to make me resentful of SE. It's just aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that they sat on this information for so long and used it as the opening message before a highly anticipated Live Letter.

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yeah the delay news has just made the Live letter a bit of a downer
like ive been interested and excited for this small pvp they have been hinting at but right now i cant bring myself to care

as said problem isn't the delay its just the short notice
its great they want the launch to be perfect and this delay adds more pressure to the dev team for it to be perfect aswell
and i hope it is or people will just put it against the devs when something goes wrong

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

To be fair, most of us have to work at least 8 hours a day, with probably another around 1-1.5h being devoted to getting ready and commuting, and another 8 being dedicated solely to sleeping. Add in things like chores and cooking and you basically end up with little free time relative to the hours you have to work/sleep on any given weekday

It would be nice to be able to sit down and enjoy your hobby uninterrupted for a few days between having to slave your life away

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True. Reason why I cut off my sleep time to 4-5 hours. It makes me moody but at least I have more time to breathe

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I mean, isn't that what people are doing towards the devs too?...

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No, people are rightfully expressing their annoyance with how bad the devs have flubbed this.

It's one thing to cut content to avoid delays. It's one thing to accept a delay in order to meet the content expectation in place. But when you cut content only to STILL delay the game at the last minute, then you messed up big time. You did the absolute worst thing you could have done in that scenario. And yes people have the right to be upset.

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Originally Posted by Anonicat

Stop taking PTO for Video Games. It really sickens me to hear or see Yoshi-P and the dev crew cry. People in this game, are imo toxic for them as developers.. Idolize developers as some sort of God. Stop it. They are human beings. Software Development especially for MMO's is more than likely 10x harder than any job that anyone here in this thread is working.

They are human beings. Stop being upset that they didn't release on the 19th/23rd. It sucks that it might screw up your plans. BUTS THATS ON YOU. Not them. Take a step back and put yourself in their shoes for once. Guaranteed you would see things very differently.

People should know by now. Especially during/after Covid. With layoffs, Delays should be expected.

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Wow.
Sitting in a comfortable office with snacks, gyms, air-conditioning is "10x times harder than any job anyone here working"??

I'm sick of this "ohmygosh game developers are SUFFERING!" non-sense. Yes, harassment is bad and yes, crunch is bad. But it seems nobody has any idea how the reality is like. Even if you are being forced to crunch, you're still going to get paid for it. You're not working for free. Even if you are getting harassed, you can always find another job. Especially if you have enough experience and resume to get hired at a big IT company to begin with. I can't get hired at a freaking Walgreens. Even if you get laid off, you'll be okay.

Game developers aren't suffering. They are spending days in well-designed offices with A/C, food, drinks and gym. Every crunch is being paid for (and if not, you can sue them and expect to win, especially nowadays and especially in countries where laws matter), every harassment can be reported. You guys act like game developers live in Soviet Russia, work overtime and don't get even the non - over-time money. My grandparents worked at a government job in Soviet Union and a lot of people in the village had to go on FOR MONTHS without a paycheck they've earned. They had to make food themselves (because the stores would only have the most basic ingredients and no "ready in 10 minutes meal"), while also paying for bills and other necessities.

If you want to go pity someone and say "they're suffering", at least do it to someone who actually has a hard time.

This is the problem with modern culture - you are all pretending that the third-world doesn't exist, that the history and other things don't exist. You do NOT feel bad or try to do anything to help anyone who actually suffers, yet you have the audacity to act like people who sit in the offices are suffering so so so very much. Unless the media forces you to acknowledge some issues people experience, you won't even blink an eye. You won't blink an eye on the German and Russian immigrants who take me to work on taxi for misery money just because nobody else hires them (or me), you won't blink your eye on my coworkers who have to work in terrible conditions; on the woman who used to work at my workplace half of her life and still can't earn more than she used to.

But sure, they're suffering. These poor, poor IT people are absolutely starving. When are we going to set up a GoFundMe for those poor souls???

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah the delay news has just made the Live letter a bit of a downer
like ive been interested and excited for this small pvp they have been hinting at but right now i cant bring myself to care

as said problem isn't the delay its just the short notice
its great they want the launch to be perfect and this delay adds more pressure to the dev team for it to be perfect aswell
and i hope it is or people will just put it against the devs when something goes wrong

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I think they would have benefited from announcing the delay when they knew it was going to happen, maybe through a letter made by Yoshi P pasted on the Lodestone or something. That way the bad news was already over and done with and they could focus on trying to keep the hype train going.