Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

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Originally Posted by Hoehenflug

This is not a political forum. Please keep this topic out of here. pogchamps

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...I'm quoting you. You brought it up.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

That is literally like what 0.1% of the people who may be using an addon. Yeah that's def going to solve the problem.

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The number is much higher than that.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

If they start banning these people you will see things clean up very quickly. Fear works wonders.

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Never going to happen.

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Originally Posted by DRHaymaker

...I'm quoting you. You brought it up.

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And you are still trying to derail this topic and @me without thinking. Twitch has a rather obvious political affiliation. You wasted my time 2 times now by playing dumb. Can you stop now.

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Originally Posted by DRHaymaker

It's clear you have very skewed priorities and believe in "guilt by silence" for lack of a better way of putting it.

Go outside, enjoy the fresh air.

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In other words, you are saying I have a “limit view point” which clearly we are discussing here a legal aspect dude… it is illegal end of the discussion. You don't know my beliefs and “guilt by silence” it is a double interpretation sword of doubt.

With all respect, I do not tell you what to do… So I return your “Go outside, enjoy the fresh air” You need for your morality and ethics.

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Originally Posted by Karthunk

Here is another saying: "Mind your own damn business". Meaning if people are engaged in acts that have no effect on you kindly leave them alone. Is that clear?

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I thought was "Mind your own business" without the curse, and even there is a song of it from 1986. In the other hand, there is other that says “You cannot control the behaviour of others, but you can always choose how you respond to it.” If you respond, in this way, probably means these affect you more.

So may I ask you. Was this affect you? Or is it affecting you? If no, why you mind then? If yes, are you incurring on illegal activities that involve.

"2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay."

"2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game."

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Originally Posted by Arckrin

In other words...

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No, in other words, I'm telling you have way too much time on your hands to be so upset about people's personal choices in aesthetics. There's nothing to discuss - people who use those addons know the risk, and has been such the case since ACT first came onto the scene. What you and others are actually doing, is moral brow beating. If you feel that passionate, go witch hunt - I doubt you have the social standing to lose over it. Maybe you can revive "ModHunters"

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

Some UI mods are distributed through XIVlauncher, which also gives players access to a number of other features that give clear advantages. Some examples:

- Allows you to see player hitbox
- Can automatically find and relay hunt mobs
- Condenses combos to one button
- Allows macros to be daisy-chained
- Allows mouseover targeting without macro delay
- Gives player realtime information about mobs in PoTD
- Shows different damage types visually (magic/physical))

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Some of them are obviously cheating like the one button combo button or the macro improvements, for others I am not that concerned. Allowing you to see your own hitbox sounds broken until you realize that encounters are not designed with that in mind and you pretty much never need to stand pixel perfect. It's great fun when you get it off but I can count the instances where it would have come up for me on one hand with 4 fingers remaining.
The different damage type thing is something I wish the game would just tell you, or atleast when you try to use type specific mitigation for something if it had an effect or not.

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Originally Posted by DRHaymaker

No, in other words, I'm telling you have way too much time on your hands to be so upset about people's personal choices in aesthetics. There's nothing to discuss - people who use those addons know the risk, and has been such the case since ACT first came onto the scene. What you and others are actually doing, is moral brow beating. If you feel that passionate, go witch hunt - I doubt you have the social standing to lose over it. Maybe you can revive "ModHunters"

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Dude bla bla bla stop judging others and assuming things! I am not upset, I am sick and tired of people discussing this! It is illegal, dude. Don't you get it? Yoshi-P say it, it is at the ToS. He said "I recommend no to do it". If you understand and says they know the risk, move on and do not justify them. Besides, do not lecture me about ACT, I was there in HW when it was created by the WOW guy. And we know how was starting to be use for elitist people (DPS heads).

I don't know what is or who is "ModHunters".

If you want my personal opinion. As a game developer and 3D modeler. YES, I don't like addons, mods or what ever 3rd tool parties that modify the game experience on how it was intended. Happy?

The vast majority of the UI mods I see streamers use don't do anything but change the UI in a way that's easier for them to understand/parse int information the game already gives you. It's like me having my job gauges in the upper right corner, by the minimap and resizing the hot bars. It's not going to be a huge deal, even to raid groups, since there's already high end raiders that do Savage/Ultimate on consoles...

You: "I'm not upset"
Also you: "I'm sick and tired of discussing this! It's illegal! Also, this is like if you were quiet around racism, then you're also racist! BUT I'M NOT UPSET!"

Your occupation is meaningless. Your game experience isn't being changed. Again - go outside, enjoy the fresh air.

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Originally Posted by Arckrin

"to end your aggression" says the man, hahaha. There is a phrase that says, “When there is a Racist in the table and all accept it, all are Racist”. Meaning, if you accept the illegality, you are participating for braking the rules that you accepted, so you are an illegal person. Is it that clear?

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Racism is immoral. Modding isn't. Sure, it's against the terms of service... But so is playing the Super Mario theme as a bard in Limsa... And I guarantee if you report either, the GM that handles it isn't going to care much since they have to deal with people actually reporting genuinely toxic people.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

If anyone wants to spend an hour or two reading up on some history of anti-cheat software in MMOS, and why SE and others have such a hard time automating the detection of bots 'n such, I'd do a few googles about WoW and Warden (the software, not the faction).

Long story short: It's very expensive, and it's a constant battle. Not nearly as easy or cut and dry as you'd assume it would be. Still very interesting reading, though.

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This. 100%. I folks don't realize mods will always be a thing. Nothing SE can stop them.