Punish MSQ Cutscene Skippers

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Originally Posted by Awha

In the end people that are against us that skip is more so based around the principle of the matter. I do not think anyone in their right mind will make the claim that these fights are engaging or one misses much by not taking part. More so if they see someone breaking the ToS no matter what feels punishment should happen. Which is fair, but for many lack of enforcement is enough reason to accept the risk of punishment, since the chances are so slim.

Granted fun is subjective so I could also be wrong.

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But the general opinion from what I can see/gather is that people are missing a lot by not being able to engage in these fights. Yet these same people are the ones that skip packs of mobs, those mobs are still part of the fight and the "experience" of fighting your way through the stronghold.

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More so if they see someone breaking the ToS no matter what feels punishment should happen

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This part is a bit interesting because people parse, big streamers parse and show that they're parsing and I'm positive some of these people that are against cutscene skippers parse as well in end game. That's against ToS (even though it's not hurting anyone) yet it's some how acceptable?

Again what makes certain things in the grey area acceptable? It all just sounds like hypocrisy from people that enjoy the lore more than others. And I've noticed in my short time here that people that enjoy the lore here seem to think it has to be their way or the high way.

If you aren't reporting people/streamers for parsing, why report people for skipping cutscenes? If experiencing the story as it's intended is the be all, end all then you need to report the people that skip trash mobs as that takes away from the experience.

I've ran the MSQ roulette hundreds of times, and I must say the only time I've ever witnessed people complaining about cutscene skipping is on these forums.

I skip the cutscenes now and then as a Tank, especially during Ultimatu phase 2 as a DRK - as it is fun to fight them solo!

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

I've ran the MSQ roulette hundreds of times, and I must say the only time I've ever witnessed people complaining about cutscene skipping is on these forums.

I skip the cutscenes now and then as a Tank, especially during Ultimatu phase 2 as a DRK - as it is fun to fight them solo!

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That's the community for you. I had someone DC in Castrum, with no skipping intent and no one said a thing.

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Originally Posted by MichiPichi

I'm not sure if this has been brought up and I apologize if it has.

So it's bad that people are skipping cut scenes because new people can't enjoy the fights. However the fights are skipped normally every single run meaning....new people can't enjoy the fights right? Like the first pack of mobs? Skipped. The part where you're running on the ledge or whatever and the tank grabs all the mobs, goes and dies while every one else moves on...skipped.

So why is it acceptable to skip somethings but not others? Who gets to make these calls as to what's acceptable? The majority? Which is perfectly fine but if the majority wants to do whatever to skip cut scenes why is that not ok?

If your argument is "Well it's exploiting and should be punishable!" That's pretty bootlicker as it's not hurting anyone but that's a fair argument. If your argument is "newbies can't enjoy the fights" that just doesn't make any sense especially when you factor in that a lot of those "fights" are trash mobs that are skipped and the "boss" fights take no time at all.

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Actually I’ve previously advocated for putting blocks on those two parts in Prae where you skip the trash mobs. I don’t like those parts because it’s a great way for new players to miss what everyone else just did and get stuck there and die. Make it so you can’t go thru the two teleporters or whatever until that pack of mobs before each is dead.

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Originally Posted by AduroT

Actually I’ve previously advocated for putting blocks on those two parts in Prae where you skip the trash mobs. I don’t like those parts because it’s a great way for new players to miss what everyone else just did and get stuck there and die. Make it so you can’t go thru the two teleporters or whatever until that pack of mobs before each is dead.

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I absolutely don't agree with this but atleast your opinion/feelings are consistent.

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Originally Posted by MichiPichi

I absolutely don't agree with this but atleast your opinion/feelings are consistent.

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There’s definitely less of them in Prae than you see in Castrum. Each pack would take maybe a whole minute each at most to quickly burn down. I view those two spots solely as noob traps and it’s just dumb that you can skip them like we do.

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Originally Posted by AduroT

There’s definitely less of them in Prae than you see in Castrum. Each pack would take maybe a whole minute each at most to quickly burn down. I view those two spots solely as noob traps and it’s just dumb that you can skip them like we do.

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It sounds comparable to putting weights on someone's legs so they can't run as fast, but as ilevel goes up, and skill potency, you'll find those weights wont really do much or make people find another exploit. And people will always find an exploit.

People bring up a good point in game people rarely complain people often thank us for making it quicker. Why does the forums make this into such a large issue? Hell the one time someone complained the group mocked them for it. I do not agree with harassment, but was funny to see.

Is this really an issue with people wanting to create a problem out of something that does not exist?

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Originally Posted by Awha

People bring up a good point in game people rarely complain people often thank us for making it quicker. Why does the forums make this into such a large issue? Hell the one time someone complained the group mocked them for it. I do not agree with harassment, but was funny to see.

Is this really an issue with people wanting to create a problem out of something that does not exist?

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I mean, it does exist, or else we wouldn't be arguing about it. You're going to find people who oppose it because it ultimately is a selfish act. You made a choice and whether you intended it or not, you force others to either comply to the skipping or ignore it. Because if they speak up, they may have to deal with what you just listed above.

And honestly--you mentioned about people using the ToS--the ToS is simply there for when or if Square does decide to take action against cutscene skippers. It is like with any contract you sign; you can complain all you like when action is or if it is taken, but it was there in writing when you agreed to it and getting banned or suspended was inevitably your doing.

The problem that people have with cutscene skipping is that you end up robbing newer players out of the experience and yes, you can make as many excuses as you like, but you don't know the player or what they were looking forward to when playing this game. However, you still made a choice FOR THEM when you decided to cutscene skip. The same problem with cutscenes in the first place and WHY this was implemented to begin with.