Getting a New House Feels Impossible

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

The other option is to wait patiently for Ishgard and the new wards there. I suspect we'll get additional wards in all areas when Ishgard goes live. One has to hope that the FC first mantra will be very short of removed altogether when that happens.

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FCs are not the major problem though regarding housing. Data shows that majority of houses are owned as personals at least on NA DCs.

The persistent ward system, combined with player population and the low gil cost to get a house are the major problems.

More wards is only kicking the can down the road, as long as SE sticks to the persistent ward system.

At this point, the most feasible thing for SE to do, would be to improve upon apartments, so that they can be upgraded all the way to large penthouses for gil and balconies for gardening.

Also delink the FC workshop from housing and make it accessible from the GC or something.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

FCs are not the major problem though regarding housing..

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Yes they are when SE allows them 3 months to buy a FC house. That happened with the last ward addition and many wards were all sold out on many servers even BEFORE PRIVATE sales were allowed. That is completely unacceptable and unfair to those looking for a private home. I think we all know that many of those FC who purchased homes were nothing more than private sales with a owner and a few alts. That's not what the intent was or should be when it comes to FC sales.

It doesn't take established FC's more than a week to buy a plot anything more than that is simply ridiculous and unfair to all those private sales many are clamoring for.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Yes they are when SE allows them 3 months to buy a FC house. That happened with the last ward addition and many wards were all sold out on many servers even BEFORE PRIVATE sales were allowed. That is completely unacceptable and unfair to those looking for a private home. I think we all know that many of those FC who purchased homes were nothing more than private sales with a owner and a few alts. That's not what the intent was or should be when it comes to FC sales.

It doesn't take established FC's more than a week to buy a plot anything more than that is simply ridiculous and unfair to all those private sales many are clamoring for.

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This doesn't seem to be accurate.

On Crystal, on the low pop servers like Malboro and Zalera, there were plenty of small plots on max deval mostly in the Goblet, right up to the day of the autodemo freeze announcement.

Unless you mean,that the mediums and larges were sold out. But let's not forget these were open for relocation by individual owners as well. I myself got Goblet 49,poolside medium, on Malboro ,2-3 weeks after the new wards dropped and it wasn't the only poolside medium available.

Again FCs are not the major problem when ~70% of the houses are owned as personals.

I've been trying to buy a lot, aka pointlessly clicking over and over, off and on for the last few weeks. I believe the current housing system is absolutely terrible.

Earlier I spent 3 hours clicking to buy a small lot... to have someone who already owns a house come and relocate to the lot. For some ridiculous reason the hidden "That lot isn't ready for sale yet" timer doesn't impact people who already have houses. Great waste of my time.

I like this game a lot, but the current housing system is pathetically designed. There is no reason for the supply of housing to be so low compared to the player base. SE should put some value on its players time and get rid of the hours of pointlessly clicking. Improve the apartment housing options and do something about this ridiculous system.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

This doesn't seem to be accurate.

On Crystal, on the low pop servers like Malboro and Zalera, there were plenty of small plots on max deval mostly in the Goblet, right up to the day of the autodemo freeze announcement.

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Oh it's pretty accurate on most servers. Lets be sure to find the low pop servers and the exceptions and not the ones where people are screaming for housing. Did you check Balmung? I have a friend on Balmung who would have loved a shot at a house but they were all sold before they opened them up for sales to privates. You're being pretty naive if you think FC's (true FC's) are buying those houses. They're not.

And yes it's a problem when wards are sold out before going up for private sale and let me just say high pop servers should have a shot at housing as well.

And I'm not talking mediums and large I'm talking the entire 3 new wards in all districts. We can even see the abuse in threads like these on the forum with the same person buying up an entire ward with the same FC tags. And that problem isn't limited to Gilgamesh you can even see that type of FC abuse happening on low pop servers like Spriggan. There is absolutely no excuse for giving FC's 3 months priority access.

Everyone should get a shot at housing and not a select few on select servers.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

Both of which are technically bannable offenses, under SE's ToS agreements. So if you go this route (which I'm adamantly saying not to, mind!) then you're painting a target on your back. It's only a matter of time before you get caught.

I say this in the comfortable belief that botting is bad (duh..) and SE has said several times that they do not want the price of plots being within the players control, as it would cause the rather obvious problem it has already caused. shell FCs being sold on a website that SE has no power over and thus, being unable to use the multitude of people using their ingame names to advertise who they are, what ward / plot / house they have and how much they want people to 'gift' them for ownership.

The evidence is there, clear as day. But SE can't use it, as it would break a few laws purely on a technicality and cause the company far more damage than I'm assuming they want to take. Though they could always.. Y'know. Get permission from the website owners to use the information stored on their websites but that is full of holes in its own right.

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A ToS rule that is not enforced expect on very rare occasions personally is low on my worry list. Sure the chance remains but if I did not have a plot i would rather go the bot or by FC route instead of manunally clicking the ssme sign for hours.

The reality is it is highly unlikely that one will face an ingame ban for buying Gil or a house unless they tell the wrong people ingame. My sample size is small, but our FC had a player that streamed their crafting and mb bot and our entire FC reported them since it caused some server drama nothing happened. Man still plays and streams their boting adventure.

SE actions show otherwise sure the chance remains but at this point expecting punicishment from SE is akin to expecting the tooth fairy to show up. I get it people like to follow the rules, but if those rules work against you by not punishing those thst hsve broken the rules. I do not fault or blame others if they go down that route.

In short i do not think it is painting s target back.

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Originally Posted by Draven2

I've been trying to buy a lot, aka pointlessly clicking over and over, off and on for the last few weeks. I believe the current housing system is absolutely terrible.

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I have a friend who lost a house because she stopped playing the game for about half a year. She's back and trying to get one and is pretty depressed at the moment she can't. Trying to compete with 20 other people isn't worth it in my opinion given your odds of winning it are so low. I would suggest you wait for demo to be reinstated. There will be a day when lots of houses go poof which happened a few weeks after the timer was reactivated last time. At least you will stand a better chance with 3 or 4 at a house and not 20.

Waiting for Ishgard housing is probably your best bet for a house but sadly that's probably isn't going to happen for another 6 months or there about. It certainly won't happen until Restoration is completed. Some say it won't happen until 6.0 but personally I don't think that will be the case.

Poor console players can't even use bots...

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

...And I'm not talking mediums and large I'm talking the entire 3 new wards in all districts. We can even see the abuse in threads like these on the forum with the same person buying up an entire ward with the same FC tags. And that problem isn't limited to Gilgamesh you can even see that type of FC abuse happening on low pop servers like Spriggan. There is absolutely no excuse for giving FC's 3 months priority access...

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As a Balmung native, Balmung is one of the exceptions . Also it's funny you mention Spriggan- there are so many small plots right now on max deval even after the restriction on personals has been lifted for months.

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Everyone should get a shot at housing and not a select few on select servers.

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This might be something we agree on. But with the current persistent ward system, that chance for people on servers like Balmung is low.

SE also uses housing as an incentive for people to get off congested servers. With crossworld visit and stuff like CWLS, all the more reason to move to servers with plenty of housing, if housing is a priority.

I'll be leaving Balmung this year, as it's extremely difficult to get mediums/larges even with regular hourly sweeps,let alone dream mediums/larges, due to all the competition

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

As a Balmung native, Balmung is one of the exceptions . Also it's funny you mention Spriggan- there are so many small plots right now on max deval even after the restriction on personals has been lifted for months.

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I know all about Spriggan. I bought 5 houses there for me and friends (all smalls at low price), 4 of which are all in the same ward in Shirogane. It's pretty much all sold out now (at least Shriogane and Lavender are since i checked last) and yes it's certainly one of the exceptions to the rule.

Look we can agree to disagree. You seem to think FC's are some gift to the housing community and the game but their sales are not being used as intended. The priority is being abused and private owners are paying the price and there is absolutely no reason why they should be given more than a week or two priority. I sincerely hope that private owners aren't about to pay the price again when potential new wards and a new housing area is added to the mix.

Good luck with your medium or large.