Tank dps harrasment

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Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki

Also, I doubt FFlogs would be able to track anything besides what can be deduced from numbers, though. You might be able to tell how the fight went from the numbers, but if I'm parsing an all-DPS run of a dungeon and using bouncing to prevent damage on a boss, the FFlogs will show poor DPS numbers, when in actuality that's because the DPS players needed to intentionally modify their own rotations to match each others' DPS outputs, rather than maximizing.

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Hit the replay button and it will show you each players positioning the entire fight. Or the time table to check incoming damage to see who has aggro, who stopped attacking, etc.

Also what you said doesn't make any sense. Assuming players are bouncing aggro they will stop DPSing so of course FFlogs will reflect that.

It's a powerful tool for players to improve their gameplay and understanding and only ignorant players try to demonize it or use it as some kind of trophy.

Yup, if you see any indication it's a Parse or FFlogs being used against you then hit that report button. Circumstances be damned, there's no excuse to be a jerk to someone. And if they mentioned Parsing data in game... well it's a fitting punishment for being dense enough to actually advertise a ToS violation.

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer does super low DPS and takes 35 minutes

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If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer help with DPS and takes 15 minutes

WHICH ONES BETTER?

I hate this whole false dichotomy where it's portrayed as only possible for a Healer or Tank to do their jobs if they completely neglect DPSing. There are PLENTY of talented Healers\Tanks who do both just fine. If you aren't one, it isn't on the community to pat you on the head and give you points for trying, it's on you to improve.

Or be stubborn and childish and drop party. Honestly, do that. Chances are we'll get a better replacement.

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Originally Posted by Hannia

I know that this is a touchy subject, ....

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Well if i was you i wouldnt give that to much thought , i usually stay in Tank Stance unless im OT^^
For the simple reason i want to play a tank not dps ^^

If you have troubles with specific persons , just put em on blacklist :)

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer does super low DPS and takes 35 minutes

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If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer help with DPS and takes 15 minutes

WHICH ONES BETTER?

I hate this whole false dichotomy where it's portrayed as only possible for a Healer or Tank to do their jobs if they completely neglect DPSing. There are PLENTY of talented Healers\Tanks who do both just fine. If you aren't one, it isn't on the community to pat you on the head and give you points for trying, it's on you to improve.

Or be stubborn and childish and drop party. Honestly, do that. Chances are we'll get a better replacement.

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oh then id prefer the 35 min :) because id help a new player to have fun in the game :)
id rather not have a 15 min run , where no one talks and the tank runs around like some hyperactive ADHD child XD

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

oh then id prefer the 35 min :) because id help a new player to have fun in the game :)
id rather not have a 15 min run , where no one talks and the tank runs around like some hyperactive ADHD child XD

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Who said anything about a new player? And who says you cant talk during fast dungeon runs?

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Who said anything about a new player? And who says you cant talk during fast dungeon runs?

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PS4 Virtual Keyboard says hi

Hey OP, you're on my data center. Let's put a PF together and get on each other's friend list. Then I will be happy to come heal for you anytime. If none of the little circles go red for me, then I consider your job well done. If you wanna dps, okay, so long as aggro's fine. If you don't, then I'm good, too. And it will save you from getting kicked since we'll outnumber the ADHD kiddies.

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Originally Posted by Saint_Angeles

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer does super low DPS and takes 35 minutes

-OR-

If the dungeon is finished with no one dying and tank has never lost hate while the tank\healer help with DPS and takes 15 minutes

WHICH ONES BETTER?

I hate this whole false dichotomy where it's portrayed as only possible for a Healer or Tank to do their jobs if they completely neglect DPSing. There are PLENTY of talented Healers\Tanks who do both just fine. If you aren't one, it isn't on the community to pat you on the head and give you points for trying, it's on you to improve.

Or be stubborn and childish and drop party. Honestly, do that. Chances are we'll get a better replacement.

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Some people just aren't that good, or can't get better. That is why there is casual content and hardcore content. What bothers me is when some raiders expect people in casual content to have the same hardcore drive as they do. Would I prefer a 15 minute Expert run over a 35 minute one? Of course. Am I going to throw a fit that DF threw me in with "filthy casuals" and prompted a longer run? No. Not at all. Because Expert is casual content. I push myself when and where I can, but I not going to demand raid-level play in casual content. Now, if I see someone standing around doing absolutely nothing, I might say something. But that's all it would be. Saying something, nicely. But I will not require a raider's drive out of them. Now, if we're talking EX or Savage, then yes, I'll be more critical and have higher expectations of those around me.

Casual content is for casuals. Some people cannot reach the drive of raiders, and it's unfair to expect them to. If I PUG casual content and pull teammates that are highly geared and extremely effective, I consider that a bonus, not the baseline.

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Originally Posted by Pentt

Hit the replay button and it will show you each players positioning the entire fight. Or the time table to check incoming damage to see who has aggro, who stopped attacking, etc.

Also what you said doesn't make any sense. Assuming players are bouncing aggro they will stop DPSing so of course FFlogs will reflect that.

It's a powerful tool for players to improve their gameplay and understanding and only ignorant players try to demonize it or use it as some kind of trophy.

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Well like I said, I don't have the expertise. I have literally gone on FFlogs ONCE. After that guy started flaming me over my FFlogs data, so I decided to see what he was on about. I didn't like what I saw, and knew it was against the ToS to parse anyways, so I frankly don't care about FFlogs. I was just speculating based on what I gathered from what you said.

In particular, I didn't like how it had my data, with my name on it, on a third party site for every troll in the universe to go read.