Black Mage

If I had a dollar for every time someone brought up lore, I swear I'd have my sub paid for years.

Guess what? Balance >>>>>>>>> lore and "playstyle"

I'm not necessarily stomping my foot for a raise, but it holds true that BLM is the only Disciple of Magic in the whole game that has no access to raise.

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Also pls if you think that other guy is not right, I don't get what you'll achieve by antagonizing him further it'll just derail the discussion imho

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Your right, but it is a symbol of our difference in thinking about balance. Since blm is an easy to learn and hard to master class, balance issues and concerns at higher levels of play often get drowned out by a lot of more casual players saying there is no issue with the class since it's working well at their levels of play. I realize blms are fine in expert roulette, and in expert trials, and can clear the current savage, however even then there are glaring issues with the class that does need to be addressed, and having someone say it's fine when they obviously haven't yet reached the point where the issues arises is frustrating.

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Originally Posted by TsuKoj

Your right, but it is a symbol of our difference in thinking about balance. Since blm is an easy to learn and hard to master class, balance issues and concerns at higher levels of play often get drowned out by a lot of more casual players saying there is no issue with the class since it's working well at their levels of play. I realize blms are fine in expert roulette, and in expert trials, and can clear the current savage, however even then there are glaring issues with the class that does need to be addressed, and having someone say it's fine when they obviously haven't yet reached the point where the issues arises is frustrating.

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Someone give this man a medal.

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Originally Posted by Llugen

If I had a dollar for every time someone brought up lore, I swear I'd have my sub paid for years.

Guess what? Balance >>>>>>>>> lore and "playstyle"

I'm not necessarily stomping my foot for a raise, but it holds true that BLM is the only Disciple of Magic in the whole game that has no access to raise.

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The main argument is the playstyle anyway. If I have to raise I have to stop dps, if I stop dps I lose enochian, I lose umbral hearts, I probably also have to sacrifice swiftcast (not an oh-shit button as many think btw, but part of the rotation, always on cd), I lose the only thing I bring to the party, damage. Hell even having to manashift is annoying. Blm was designed as a selfish dps, it doesn't sacrifice all that dmg for raising.

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

Pls don't go into the give Blm raise debate. It's not good for us doesn't fit our playstyle or our lore.
If you want utility, I'd like to see some magic dmg buff, or a magic resistance debuff.

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Damage isn't utility.

Embolden isn't utility, brotherhood isn't utility, battle litany isn't utility.

It's damage. It's bottom line.

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Originally Posted by Lelila38

The main argument is the playstyle anyway. If I have to raise I have to stop dps, if I stop dps I lose enochian, I lose umbral hearts, I probably also have to sacrifice swiftcast (not an oh-shit button as many think btw, but part of the rotation, always on cd), I lose the only thing I bring to the party, damage. Hell even having to manashift is annoying. Blm was designed as a selfish dps, it doesn't sacrifice all that dmg for raising.

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if I was put in charge of implementing a raise for BLM, I'd make it a free 180 second recast off-gcd. That solves the infinite MP problem, the wasted GCD problem, the burning swiftcast problem, and the balance problem all at the same time.

The class doesn't need to be a rez dispenser like RDM, it just has to have something to let it be balanced on that front. They could even fit it into the lore by calling it some kind of shadow raise or void raise or something and making a story around it. Y'all who think it makes no sense have no imagination.

I'd rather prefer death to be a burden than a minor setback in fact I would instead increase MP costs of all ress by at least 50% while also making ress sickness be a static 50% main stat penalty, maybe just me

Why ask for utility so much? They can make BLM more balanced by actually giving it absurds amount of damage. It won't be broken if they do so because buff stacking of meta comps will most likely still be better. I just don't want to keep playing a pure damage job if they do less than jobs that aren't based on pure damage.

As for Raise, BLM doesn't need that. Raise on DPS jobs is dumb to begin with, it was ok on SMN for ARR and Heavensward because they could barely cast it and keep MP to deal damage. Now SMNs can do it freely and RDM is a raise gatling gun. If this game barely requires any consistent heal spam why even give the burden of raising to DPS jobs again. Plus raise starts becoming useless once the group is doing the fight consistently well. But then why be a BLM if I don't do decent damage?

I want utility on the class because raw damage will never be stronger than damage+utility when the utility makes for higher damage than the raw damage. In short, no amount of raw damage would ever be stronger than damage+utility unless it is SIGNIFICANTLY higher.

The raise that I proposed would still be a welcome addition purely to be fair, since every single other DoM has it.

Side note, with sub-optimal melds and the 320 susano book I was able to do more damage in savage on SMN on my FIRST TIME IN THERE than I've yet to do on BLM on both v1s and v3s (v2s I had a death).

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Originally Posted by Llugen

I want utility on the class because raw damage will never be stronger than damage+utility when the utility makes for higher damage than the raw damage. In short, no amount of raw damage would ever be stronger than damage+utility unless it is SIGNIFICANTLY higher.

The raise that I proposed would still be a welcome addition purely to be fair, since every single other DoM has it.

Side note, with sub-optimal melds and the 320 susano book I was able to do more damage in savage on SMN on my FIRST TIME IN THERE than I've yet to do on BLM on both v1s and v3s (v2s I had a death).

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You're full 340 (excluding the genji book you just got). Of course you're going to do a lot of damage. I get 90th+ parses too on my 320 weapon blm (with sub-optimal melds). BLM doesn't need a res. It needs be a job that does as advertised. It needs to bring extremely high dps in exchange for utility. Even if BLM had a rez, as you proposed, you'd still pick SMN because having a garbage 3min rez doesn't change the fact that SMN out-performs BLM in every category.