What is this new anti dps healer attitude?

My idea on this topic: If your group is over 80% health 90% of the time and not under 40% health unless tank didn't pop a CD or DPS is standing in stuff, DPS to your hearts content. No one should be chastising you for DPS when no one is below 80% for a good amount of time. If people are above 80% and never drop below and you have spare GCDs and not running low on mana, a DOT or two up.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Yeah, it's great~ I've kicked a little over six dozen dpsing healer PUGs since the start of SB! I don't mind if it's a healer I know and trust, but PUGs don't do it well, so not gonna carry~

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Note to self if I run into your character I'll vote no on every dismiss you try.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I dont know if this is a data center thing, but I'm on EU Chaos and I really have been seeing this attitude increase a lot.

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This is a debate that goes back years. It's not new. You're stirring a very old pot. In any case, the principle role of healers is to heal. Period. There is no good argument to the contrary.

[Didn't read every page, just OP]

PLD main here with my 2 cents.

Some healers will not be able to manage that type of playstyle and since it is a healer role that people are going into these dungeons for they really need to focus on that first. This is basically it, anything below is just my personal experiences and practice.

As a tank, I get worried every time my health gets lower than 45%. But I'll always pop my defensives and if need be I'll help heal, more aggro for me.

At this point 2 expansions into this game playing only PLD, I'd be kind of ashamed to not be able to tank stuff when the healer is helping DPS. Especially for roulettes and new dungeons on normal, people are trying to have a good time and enjoy the new content there's no need for me to get salty at my group.

With everything above though, there are dungeons that need full healing attention and I'll go ahead and ask politely.

This is all just base on my experience though.

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Originally Posted by Kelzack

As a tank, I get worried every time my health gets lower than 45%.

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One of the new scholar abilities, Excogitation, doesn't even trigger until you drop below 50%.

People who say that healers should not DPS are just ignorant people. You're asking me to deny half my utility kit so you can feel safe? A good player should always utitlise ALL the tools available. If I want to Holy the shit out of twenty mobs while keeping you alive, I'll do so and you don't need to tell me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Yeah, it's great~ I've kicked a little over six dozen dpsing healer PUGs since the start of SB! I don't mind if it's a healer I know and trust, but PUGs don't do it well, so not gonna carry~

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This is edging between the different playstyle justification and outright harassment and if you had a shred of common sense you would see that. It's one thing to kick someone for playing their job in such a way that it causes deaths or wipes but entirely another to kick someone for playing a way you don't like.

Basically you can justify it as different playstyle if you'd like, the difference is that theirs is good and yours is bad.

If I get a lazy healer who wont DPS and tops me off whenever I fall below 99% HP, I will speed run, mass pull, chain pull etc. and put their ass to work.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

This is edging between the different playstyle justification and outright harassment and if you had a shred of common sense you would see that. It's one thing to kick someone for playing their job in such a way that it causes deaths or wipes but entirely another to kick someone for playing a way you don't like.

Basically you can justify it as different playstyle if you'd like, the difference is that theirs is good and yours is bad.

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Ignore her. She purposely takes the opposite extreme in every discussion just to try and get a rise out of people.

Sadly, its pretty much been stated that they arent expected to DPS, hell they dont even seem to want tanks to either, If you do however get a healer that does DPS they deserve a comm. Come to think of it my entire time in SB ive maybe seen 2 healers or 3 that did dps in the levelling and other expert dungeons. Doesnt personally bother me, but the runs do feel extended

Ona bright note, at least you dont have to dodge as much during pulls(not)