Yoshi-P on Character Growth

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Yeah but Wildstar was just some no-name MMO. Old Gen + No Name will only draw in just the MMO-scene.
But this is a Final Fantasy game. A large chunk of players came for the name alone. FearTheOldBlood is a very good example of this. SE would have a far easier time going old gen.

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While I partly agree with what both of you have said I think you are forgetting that the team behind wildstar was responsible for the development of vanilla wow and was heavily investing on it

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

Whats up with the Phone on this Page?! I was saying. Thank you for respons, but do people need to know before they buy the game that they need to wait for a patch to do stuff? I talk about People being on so i can progress story. Does it need to feel like i play a offline game for hours and there is a glitch that doesnt allow me to progress?

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Silly question, but are you marking E and F when you're queuing in duty finder? As I understand it, Moogle has a very large French playerbase which could be affecting your queue times if you don't have F checked.

If that still doesn't alleviate your wait times maybe Party Finder and a shout in a populated hub town will net you a nice party to help you through.

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Originally Posted by ohmRICE

Silly question, but are you marking E and F when you're queuing in duty finder? As I understand it, Moogle has a very large French playerbase which could be affecting your queue times if you don't have F checked.

If that still doesn't alleviate your wait times maybe Party Finder and a shout in a populated hub town will net you a nice party to help you through.

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I'm marking everything and it shouldn't effect me at all, due to the duty finder is SERVER wide not only 1 server but as in a data center.

If 4.x is more of the same, it will damage the game more than 3.1 did. They have to do something interesting.

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

I'm marking everything and it shouldn't effect me at all, due to the duty finder is SERVER wide not only 1 server but as in a data center.

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Well yes since you're marking all languages it won't affect you, but my point was that since you're on the EU data center which has a large French population that queuing with F would reduce queue time instead of only queuing E.

But since you are queuing with everything I can't really offer anything other than my condolences for your queue time troubles.;; (๑•́ㅿ•̀๑)

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Originally Posted by ohmRICE

Well yes since you're marking all languages it won't affect you, but my point was that since you're on the EU data center which has a large French population that queuing with F would reduce queue time instead of only queuing E.

But since you are queuing with everything I can't really offer anything other than my condolences for your queue time troubles.;; (๑•́ㅿ•̀๑)

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No worries, like I said, people been far nice and actually give me a nice respons without harrasing me, which I appreciate, I'm just wondering how long they wanna keep doing this.

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Originally Posted by HungryHippo

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i am just quoting you in general. as i do wanna say if DF isn't working (i am on levi so your experience may vary) make a pf asking for players to come do the content you can't get a que for, and to help (either sync'd or unsync'd)

i know when i make alts and run them through story if i don't wanna do DF (ugh chrystallis) i just pf unsync to super easy mode it.

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If 4.x is more of the same, it will damage the game more than 3.1 did. They have to do something interesting.

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It's already guaranteed to be different, just with PoTD and that infrastructure in the mix.

I'm also betting we'll see a new Diadem-type of content, but probably designed to be much more engaging than the initial attempt. Yoshi seems pretty intent on developing new kinds of content to go along with what we've grown accustomed to.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

It's already guaranteed to be different, just with PoTD and that infrastructure in the mix.

I'm also betting we'll see a new Diadem-type of content, but probably designed to be much more engaging than the initial attempt. Yoshi seems pretty intent on developing new kinds of content to go along with what we've grown accustomed to.

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Not at the same time, and likely not as activities to replace the grind at endgame. remember how 3.0 somehow had less going on than 2.55? It will be like that.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I was really hoping for some, atleast some small kind of different progression and customization. Well, I am disappointed.

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But the question remains, what would that accomplish? I constantly hear how horizontal progression will revolutionize the game, but rarely hear an in-depth rationale on how this will be achieved. Blade & Soul attempted this with its skill tree system, yet everyone inevitably started copying Jaesung because he's the best PvP player. Even WoW is starting to see the same similarity creep in because once people determine optimization, all guides and advice on the subject revolve around it with only small variation. The whole STR vs VIT debate here eventually saw STR cannibalize VIT for that very same reason. Per Yoshi's example, say elemental materia became worthwhile. Would swapping between fire and lightning based on what boss you're fighting really be a riveting experience?

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Originally Posted by Genaxx

Pretty much what we have now with ilvl.

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Not really. ilvl is far more easily obtainable. Friends of mine quit roughly a year ago at ilvl 170 or so. It would take them little more than a month to be caught up if they came back tomorrow. What many here suggest is gear progression that necessitates immense time sinks because it constantly evolves. FFXI is often cited, and some of its BiS required over a year of investment.

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People are already bored, they have been complaining about this for ages.

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And this will never change. Don't mistake me, FFXIV is far from perfect. However, gamers today consume content far exceeding what can be reasonably developed. Adding horizontal progression is not going to change this no matter how it's implemented.

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Ehh guess subs have dropped alot then.

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Uh, you do realize if they ever reached 500 apartments per ward; per server, this would amount over two million, yes? ;p