30 Minute Lockout for Leaving Roulette's isn't Working as Intended.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

I- also reduce a person's reward tokens / coin / etc from any run by 5% each time they vote to kick someone - even if the vote fails that will get people to weigh the costs of vote-kick griefing).

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I've been 'grief kicked' all of one time ever since it was added to the game. Actually, that's the only time I've even been kicked. I don't think people need to be punished for using a feature that very few people abuse.

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Originally Posted by Aethaeryn

I've been 'grief kicked' all of one time ever since it was added to the game. Actually, that's the only time I've even been kicked. I don't think people need to be punished for using a feature that very few people abuse.

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If you add a penalty for being kicked (the first part of my post) - something World of Warcraft did to stop people from sitting at the entrance in protest... then you need a counter to it to prevent people from using kicking to grief others - something which did later become a problem in WoW...
Vote-kick griefing in fact is a major issue in WoW and a few other MMOs. Often done before or even during a boss pull.

In short, you make every option other than 'playing through' have a cost - and make these costs relative to the various actions.
5% cumulative is low enough that if someone NEEDS to be voted out, you will do it. But high enough that you will make sure you have a reason to do it first.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

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My point was that you're then punishing people who aren't using vote dismiss incorrectly. This is not an answer, just like increasing the penalty for leaving a duty is not an answer.

<insert obligatory 'this is not WoW' comment here>

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Originally Posted by Makeda

- also reduce a person's reward tokens / coin / etc from any run by 5% each time they vote to kick someone - even if the vote fails that will get people to weigh the costs of vote-kick griefing). 10% if the person voted against was new to that content.

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So if some troll is making the run miserable, I take a penalty for it if I kick them?

I'm sorry, but that's absolutely ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Be nice to other people, and you'll be surprised how nice they can be to you. Leave right away because you don't care how you'll penalize the group, don't come complaiing that people are rude to you.

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Sarcasm is totally lost on you isn't it? Though, with how you and the rest who think like you, have responded in this thread it isn't surprising. I'm going to leave if I feel like it. I don't care if it 'penalizes' the group and there is absolutely, nothing you can ever do about it. You will have to suck it up, and deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

With how self entitled most of the responders are in this post, they wouldn't let you leave. You'd be impeding their run. They'd want to punish you severely for even asking to be let out. They'd want you to have like a 36 hour ban from not only DF, but the game completely.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

I'm going to leave if I feel like it. I don't care if it 'penalizes' the group and there is absolutely, nothing you can ever do about it. You will have to suck it up, and deal with it.

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Yeah, tell me about it.

/popcorn

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Yeah, tell me about it.

/popcorn

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What are you trying to say? He is entitled to leave if he wants to.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

What are you trying to say? He is entitled to leave if he wants to.

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Exactly my point. Thank you MomomiMomi. It's these people who wish to take that away because they feel "entitled" to the run they are in, even if they have to hold the rest of us hostage to get what they want.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I don't know the reason these different leaders did not start the search. In all three cases, they certainly WANTED to get new members in, but somehow they either refused, or were never presented with the option. At any rate, the next time you queue up for a run in progress and wind up in a new instance, ask the party if they're properly searching for new members.

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From what I've seen of it, the window pops open, and if you're in the middle of fighting or typing, you often click it shut again right away. All you'd see is a brief blip.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Exactly my point. Thank you MomomiMomi. It's these people who wish to take that away because they feel "entitled" to the run they are in, even if they have to hold the rest of us hostage to get what they want.

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It's no different than all the ice mages that do 400 DPS at i230 and use the excuse that they'll play the way they want to. Of course they don't realize how they're inconveniencing 3/7/23 other players.

Ask yourself this -- would SE step in and slap those people with a 36 hour ban or whatever ridiculous crap people are suggesting for leavers?

Of course they wouldn't.

Here is some more reality. If you actually punished that player, they'd sooner quit this game than deal with your bull crap. Leavers would sooner quit using roulette entirely.

At that point, it becomes an issue of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Punishing people is not going to work. End of story.