Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

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Originally Posted by Launched

And why would you assume a WAR is using STR accessories all the time? If you're going to compare how effective they are at tanking, you should always assume identical gear.

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Because that's how most WARs have been running content.

That being said, I did say that a WAR in the same gear is about equal at MTing to DRK, not any significantly better or worse. As long as WARs maintain their 20-25% max HP over a DRK, then they are roughly the same mitigation-wise. However, as soon as WARs start stance dancing or lowering their HP to the same level as a DRK, the mitigation advantage goes to DRK in MTing.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

That being said, I did say that a WAR in the same gear is about equal at MTing to DRK, not any significantly better or worse. As long as WARs maintain their 20-25% max HP over a DRK, then they are roughly the same mitigation-wise.

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Sure, if neither tank ever uses any cooldowns, then they are roughly the same.

Are people forgetting about Warriors 10% parry in this stance. 20% dmg reduction up every 20sec for 6sec? Sorry but Grit doesn't really compare to War Defiance

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Because that's how most WARs have been running content.

That being said, I did say that a WAR in the same gear is about equal at MTing to DRK, not any significantly better or worse. As long as WARs maintain their 20-25% max HP over a DRK, then they are roughly the same mitigation-wise. However, as soon as WARs start stance dancing or lowering their HP to the same level as a DRK, the mitigation advantage goes to DRK in MTing.

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And by time a WAR has lost 25% of its max health, so will a DRK, so the same rules apply throughout, except for the fact that WAR is always going to have far better and far more consistent mitigation. You're not making a whole lot of sense. Of course a WAR who is at 75% health is going to be in a worse position than a DRK at 100%.

Keep complaining about DRK I want to be OP.

As a dark knight main, nothing shits me more than having to spend my mp to make my dark mind worth using. I know you'll say "what else will you spend your mana on". Well, when main tanking I'll spend it on:
Bonus enmity on Power so I can siphon more often.
Bonus health drain from soul eater.
Upkeep of Darkside so my dps ain't shocking.

Want to compare dps? Look at dark knight's MT dps.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Because that's how most WARs have been running content.

That being said, I did say that a WAR in the same gear is about equal at MTing to DRK, not any significantly better or worse. As long as WARs maintain their 20-25% max HP over a DRK, then they are roughly the same mitigation-wise. However, as soon as WARs start stance dancing or lowering their HP to the same level as a DRK, the mitigation advantage goes to DRK in MTing.

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You know why WARs do stuff in STR accessories? Because they're offtanking. You don't need anywhere near as much HP from that. A PLD/DRK OT should also drop some VIT gear if that's what they're doing for the entire fight. Otherwise, if you're comparing all three in maintanking, it's only fair to compare them in equal gear.

WARs aren't the only tank that can stance dance. a PLD that goes into Sword Oath loses mitigation. A DRK that drop Grit to do more damage loses mitigation. That's definitely not something unique to WAR and I have no idea why you'd bring it up.

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Originally Posted by Kalma51

Are people forgetting about Warriors 10% parry in this stance. 20% dmg reduction up every 20sec for 6sec? Sorry but Grit doesn't really compare to War Defiance

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Because as soon as 5 stacks of wrath are up they're almost immediately used on something so the parry boost doesn't really account for much. And it's for physical attacks so it's not damage reduction because last I checked, parry doesn't do anything for magic attacks (which is also why a DA Dark Dance is meant for magic attacks - because you won't be parrying these anyways. The cost is just a little on the high side). So since it doesn't do anything in terms of magic damage, it's just like foresight.

Tanking with both WAR/DRK now, WAR is squishier than DRK, and if WAR stance dances to use Fel Cleave they are even squishier since a big part of a WAR's mitigation is Inner Beast. Also there is SOOOOO much magic in Alex Dark Mind is fantastic! DPS wise, if a WAR spends all their time in Deliverance they are about equal with DRK, without Grit (assuming they both have slashing debuff). MTing DPS, DRK is higher than WAR assuming the WAR spends all their time in Defiance and uses all stacks on Unchained/Inner Beast.

Warrior is a lot easier to play, and their burst is amazing with Fel Cleave. I went warrior in Floor 4 because the burst was great since you spent such little time on the boss, because of quarantine.

Of course DRK will drain TP in any sustained fight while WAR has pretty solid sustain, assuming you use Equilibrium for TP. I did like using it for healing in Floor 4 though because of the orb damage.

Okay, nobody ever mentions Bloodbath and Foresight, which I use regularly on cooldown. Are they really that awful that nobody mentions them even once?