Tanking habits

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

This worked well for me when I upgraded to PS4 and got new controller mapping options- I set R3 thumbstick to Assist Target, and I don't need to use it a ton, but it's great when you want to be sure to target the same one as your tank or a specific other party member. I only use very situationally since it often doesn't make sense to attack the same target as the tank of a specific DPS. Great for when you don't want to pull enmity on one target out of a ton (ST trash mobs) or doing new content or coordinating with more experienced players (like if a BRD pairs up with DRG on an add that's best dealt physical damage).

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Honestly, I'd say it's probably better to look for what the other DPS is targeting, and attack that. If you're not using aoes, it's best to kill a target as fast as possible, and the best way to do that is to focus on the same target as the other DPS. Additionally, by focusing on the same target as the other DPS, you increase the chances that that monster will die before either DPS gets enough hate to overcome the tank's distributed enmity.

A tank, on the other hand, is going to be rapidly switching targets for pretty much the entire fight in order to spread their enmity-building single target attacks across as many mobs as possible. If you target what the tank targets, you will be switching targets the entire fight as well.

When burning down targets one at a time (rather than aoe on all the targets), it's more efficient and safer to target the same mob the other DPS does. (Also remain aware that the other DPS might apply DoTs to several mobs before settling on one - as ACN 50, I'm sure you do this yourself, but other classes with DoTs may do this as well!)

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What I do is my opening rotation (lay my dots and my aoe attack for groups) than attack what was being currently targeted while maintaining my dots.

Never thought of it that way my thinking was I didn’t want to steal aggro but attacking what other dps is attack makes sense for distributing the aggro. I will give that a shot next time I get on thnx for the advise

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

My AE rot on WAR is:

Gather, Use Bloodbath while gathering > Internal Release > Overpower > Infuriate > Overpower > Berserk > Steel Cyclone > Vengence > Overpower > Wrath Building > SC

It only gets better if you can go in Unchained or Infuriated for an extra SC.

My AE rot on PLD WITHOUT a WHM:

Gather, Use Flight or Flight while gathering > Flash > Rampart > Flash > CoS > Flash > SW > Flash > Shield Bash mob 1 > Shield Bash mob 2 > Shield Bash mob 3 > Flash > Sentinel > Flash > Fast Blade > Riot Blade > Flash > Circle of Scorn > Shield Bash mob 4 > Shield Bash mob 5 > SW > Shield Bash mob 6 > Flash > Flash

If you are a shitty tank you just spam OP or Flash. If you aren't, you do little things that make mass pulls safer or faster.

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So let me try to read this again..

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Gather, Use Bloodbath while gathering but not attacking so lose out on potential lifesteal > Internal Release > Overpower without maim up > Infuriate > Overpower > Berserk > Steel Cyclone still using things without maim up > Vengence > Overpower > Wrath Building using things not-overpower which is the most efficient since hp restore from bloodbath+high damage to kill the pull faster > SC

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Did I read it right? Oh also unchained will always be better than steel cyclone.

Also FoF doesn't affect enmity from Flash, so if you pop it when you aren't hitting something, again, waste.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

A dungeon is designed to be played however I deem it to be played.

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at no point did you say this.....rightttttt. Anyway I will stop arguing with you seeing as you completely lack the ablitly to make sense. have a nice life

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Originally Posted by Mercuito

at no point did you say this.....rightttttt.

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Here, lemme make it simple:

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

At no point did I literally say that the devs wanted me to play the way I wanted.

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The text you quoted:

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

A dungeon is designed to be played however I deem it to be played.

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This means...
I should decide how I can play a dungeon that the devs created.

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Devs create road blocks in Snowcloak and Qarn HM that are meant to take that choice away from skilled players and pass it off as involving content. This is them forcing me how to play. My abilities or gear don't get to come into the equation.

You lack the ability to read basic English. Saying that I don't make sense just shows that you 1. Don't read and 2. Can't comprehend what you are reading. So instead, you just say I don't make any sense. Alright. Bai.

While everyone is going on about tanks, you also have to remember not everyone is playing a main job on Heals or DPS either. I've had full ilv100-110 Healers that couldn't handle a six pull. I've also had Lv100 -110 DPS that just didn't put out the numbers to kill the mobs in a timely manner so we either killed mobs at the same pace it would have taken just to do two separate pulls or we wiped.

The biggest issue is "Communication" it seems like everyone is hell bent on saying "hi" for commendation purposes and nothing more after that. I've asked people what type of pulls could they handle in ENG and Auto-Translate and was met with NO response or some smart ass comment like "Just go" only to wipe 2 mins later.

As a Main Tank I've learned you can't just judge people by gear either so you have to try to speak to them if they don't respond do a small pull and see how they handle it. If you don't like the attitudes of the players you can always Leave or asked to be removed.

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Originally Posted by Ophie-Mio

rubbish

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It's not that I lack the ablitly to read basic English. you don't know how to command it. it's sad seeing you say I don't read when clearly I quoted you saying the thing you said you didn't say. But I do admire how you tried to turn it into meaning something else. Anyway you bore me :)

here's a little exercise in English for you please look at your 2 statements you quoted of yourself and please try and spot the contradiction. please for you own sake and education spot it.

It is faster and more efficient to use AoE attacks on more enemies. If you are properly geared for the content and know how to play your job, mass-pulling is the most logical thing to do.

If a tank pulls trash into a boss fight, they are using the lockout technique. You can stand inside the barrier while the mobs are outside and pull the boss. When the lockout barrier appears, the mobs deaggro and you can fight the boss without needing to kill the trash.

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

Did I read it right? Oh also unchained will always be better than steel cyclone.

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You will have to OP at least twice before putting up Maim, otherwise the DPS can't AOE. Ideally you use Unchained + Bloodbath when everything is gathered together -> OP -> Zerk -> OP -> IR -> HS + Maim -> OP spam until pacified, then more OP spam if everything isn't dead yet for some reason. Cyclone is fine to use your Wrath stacks for if Unchained isn't available but Infuriate is. But yeah, Buffs + Maim + OP spam is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Kirana

It is faster and more efficient to use AoE attacks on more enemies. If you are properly geared for the content and know how to play your job, mass-pulling is the most logical thing to do.

If a tank pulls trash into a boss fight, they are using the lockout technique. You can stand inside the barrier while the mobs are outside and pull the boss. When the lockout barrier appears, the mobs deaggro and you can fight the boss without needing to kill the trash.

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I'm not sure that's true - or at least not in all cases. In a speed run I've been in, for Bray HM, a couerl (or rather, one of the large variants but I can't remember the specific name) was accidently dragged into the last boss fight - and pretty much stayed there until we killed it... even after the lockout :\

There are groups that yell at me when I don't mass pull as well. I don't think it's just the tanks to blame for this.