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07-19-2011, 03:56 PM
darkstarpoet1

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Originally Posted by Abriael

My mistake, i mistaken you for another poster that continued to harp on that.

no worries i just wanted you to realize that wasn't me lol.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The problem isn't that those arguments aren't legit, some are, some are extremely overdramatized and tainted by hyperbole (which is a big problem in itself). The problem is that the review is extremely lacking in adressing the game's positive points, and that the patch can easily introduce some relevant new ones.
Which makes posting a review just four days before said patch downright nonsensical.

oh i agree. they should have pointed out what has been improved. that is a given.

that's why i just stated that they should have people actually play a game and not kill a few mobs and think they know the game. if i gave a review although most wouldn't agree with it on here i could go from the day after release until now. i didn't make it into closed beta regretfully. it also took one day for my bank to get the info from click and buy to be able to sign in which is why it was day after. they pointed out everything they seen as a flaw still, but because they had not been playing the game they could not tell you anything that has improved.

this is why i stated the thing about movie critics writing reviews after just seeing the previews. if they haven't actually seen the movie they would not have a clue about how it was as a whole, but just how it was shown to them in that brief time frame.
07-19-2011, 04:01 PM
Shipp

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Originally Posted by Delsus

lmao people are posting comments saying that because its 10 months ppl shouldnt bring the reviewers or sites integrity into question, must be ppl that blindly follow these biased reviews

ITT: People not reading the review themselves, but bandwagoning instead.

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Before we take a look at Final Fantasy XIV, I want to preface this article with a disclosure. Here at MMORPG.com, we are aware that games are always patching and game updates are pending pretty much forever. However, until those changes are live on the servers, we cannot anticipate how they will affect the gameplay or community, and therefore those rumors and announcements do not affect the score card detailed below. We feel we’ve waited more than long enough to give FFXIV a fair shake. Check back with us later this year for an update after those changes are live.

10 months IS fair enough. Also, EVERY single patch so far has been the same thing with the community. "It's the patch that's going to fix the game!!!" And then it's an epic failure. "They're adding quests!!!!" "Wow, great, a few quests that serve no real purpose and haven't changed the game."

Repeat for just about everything in every patch.

They didn't have to even preface it as they did. That alone shows journalistic integrity, along with them saying that it will be re-reviewed later this year.
07-19-2011, 04:04 PM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

oh i agree. they should have pointed out what has been improved. that is a given.

that's why i just stated that they should have people actually play a game and not kill a few mobs and think they know the game. if i gave a review although most wouldn't agree with it on here i could go from the day after release until now. i didn't make it into closed beta regretfully. it also took one day for my bank to get the info from click and buy to be able to sign in which is why it was day after. they pointed out everything they seen as a flaw still, but because they had not been playing the game they could not tell you anything that has improved.

this is why i stated the thing about movie critics writing reviews after just seeing the previews. if they haven't actually seen the movie they would not have a clue about how it was as a whole, but just how it was shown to them in that brief time frame.

That's exactly why I'm saying that this review is a prefect example of poor journalism. Add to it the horrible timing and you end up with a trainwreck of epic proportions.

One of the main advantages of the internet is that it gives a voice to everyone. One of the main disadvantages is that it opened certain jobs that before required a specific education (that includes education on integrity and professionalism) to people that simply should do something else in their life.
07-19-2011, 04:06 PM
Billybongster

I'd be surprised if she even knew there is a patch in a few days, honestly... considering confirmed and coming changes are "rumors".
07-19-2011, 04:10 PM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Billybongster

I'd be surprised if she even knew there is a patch in a few days, honestly... considering confirmed and coming changes are "rumors".

If one doesn't know the news that can be easily found on the front page of the official site of the game he's reviewing, he definitely shouldn't work as a gaming journalist.
07-19-2011, 04:13 PM
darkstarpoet1

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's exactly why I'm saying that this review is a prefect example of poor journalism. Add to it the horrible timing and you end up with a trainwreck of epic proportions.

One of the main advantages of the internet is that it gives a voice to everyone. One of the main disadvantages is that it opened certain jobs that before required a specific education (that includes education on integrity and professionalism) to people that simply should do something else in their life.

ya know, honestly, that review gives me more hope in this patch than i had. it's kinda strange reasoning so bare with me and see if you catch what i mean.

believe me i had very low expectations on it to be completely honest. this was an obvious hate fest on the game and it was rushed out. it's not a suprise that it was right before this major update. this seemed to me to be that last kick someone could get in before they felt they were going to be kicked back. that made me feel that they actually have worries that the update may take the game, that they hate, in the right direction and it would be their last opportunity to knock it down.

it makes me wonder if it is legitimate fear or just wanting to get the shot in just in case, but it made me feel the update will be better accepted than i was afraid of by talking to my ls and other friends. very few of them expect alot of improvements, but it makes it seem as though this person is afraid they will be great for the game.

that's why i say it makes me bring my hopes up on this update as this hate piece just so happened to come in the same week as the first of 3 major patches that we all hope will make the game start moving towards a success.

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Originally Posted by Billybongster

I'd be surprised if she even knew there is a patch in a few days, honestly... considering confirmed and coming changes are "rumors".

i personally believe they not only knew when the changes were coming, but they neglected to mention them in hopes of turning more people away. i believe they quoted "rumors" to make people believe that the changes may not be coming in an attempt to cause farther downfall.
07-19-2011, 04:14 PM
Reika

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Originally Posted by Shipp

ITT: People not reading the review themselves, but bandwagoning instead.

10 months IS fair enough. Also, EVERY single patch so far has been the same thing with the community. "It's the patch that's going to fix the game!!!" And then it's an epic failure. "They're adding quests!!!!" "Wow, great, a few quests that serve no real purpose and haven't changed the game."

Repeat for just about everything in every patch.

They didn't have to even preface it as they did. That alone shows journalistic integrity, along with them saying that it will be re-reviewed later this year.

Oh so its ok to create magical review dates that conveniently make a game look bad even tho it wont even be the same game that is reviewed? That must be what they planned. Wait some odd days before major patch and revive old hatreds towards to game in an obvious attempt to keep new and old players away. Hate SE much?
07-19-2011, 04:15 PM
Billybongster

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Originally Posted by Abriael

If one doesn't know the news that can be easily found on the front page of the official site of the game he's reviewing, he definitely shouldn't work as a gaming journalist.

Exactly, I hope it didn't come across like I was somehow defending the terrible review. I was more pointing out that if confirmed and well known coming changes are rumors to her, what isn't possible.
07-19-2011, 04:15 PM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

it makes me wonder if it is legitimate fear or just wanting to get the shot in just in case, but it made me feel the update will be better accepted than i was afraid of by talking to my ls and other friends. very few of them expect alot of improvements, but it makes it seem as though this person is afraid they will be great for the game.

Oh some people are definitely afraid to see this game improve. They spent so much energy and words hating on it, that seeing it taking a steer towards success would probably have a disastrous effect on their warped ego.
07-19-2011, 04:22 PM
Shipp

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Originally Posted by Reika

Oh so its ok to create magical review dates that conveniently make a game look bad even tho it wont even be the same game that is reviewed? That must be what they planned. Wait some odd days before major patch and revive old hatreds towards to game in an obvious attempt to keep new and old players away. Hate SE much?

How is it not going to be the same game being reviewed? MMOs change. Any MMO player reading a review on an MMO will realize this. The author probably stated "rumors" in reference to how everyone thinks every patch is the miracle patch. They mention the introduction of quests, the community claims content has arrived, patch installs, community is unhappy.

People at this point in time are pessimistic. SE has to prove themselves before people start reading too much into the promises. That's perfectly fair with their track record, and the very fact that tons of people in this thread have stated that the review was fair should be a big red flag for some of you.

Did it come at a bad time? Yes. However, if this patch hadn't been delayed twice, then this review wouldn't have come at such a bad time.

Don't kid yourselves into thinking that this review is what's going to hurt the game. The game is already hurting and you should be glad that they've said they will re-review it later this year AFTER the patches and that it got a higher score than quite a few previous reviews.

Edit: Also, it's kind of hard to say the author hates SE if you actually read the article.

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