Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

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Originally Posted by ispano

Oh I knew it would happen as well, I'm just annoyed at some of the responses.

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Oh, I agree with that. Some make no sense or very little, other people are just very misinformed lol There are also people using strawman arguments. I agree with some people on both sides of this to some degree though.

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Originally Posted by ispano

See that's the thing, I'm not saying it should or shouldn't happen. I understand it both ways. To counter this: "And what's with the unhealthy obsession of other players being forced to experience the original difficulty?" Why will people be forced to fight the nerfed version? And before you respond that they won't, how many people are you going to find that will be willing to do it without the echo buff? It's practically being forced.

Read my reply to the other poster. They will have a very difficult time doing so because most people will choose to take the easy way out.

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yet you have no proof of this neither do i but hey there just opinions on what might happen you say ppl will choose the easy way out yet i think you have forgotten those that have already beat it wont even need it so the challenge for them is still there players that want an easy way out the option is there not every1 will do things with the buff hell some players may start winning ex primals 3-4 times then stop using it cause they feel they have learnt the fight enough that they are ready to face the challenge

You're not hardcore if you are complaining about redoing old content. Hardcores care about cutting edge content..they don't whine about obsolete content.

Trying to extend the value of your old gear despite new content being available means that you probably barely managed to get it completed in the allotted time, and now you are upset because you didn't get enough time to feel uber.

That's not a hard core gamer... it's a lagger. Hardcores complete the content in the time given without ap roblem and not only have plenty of time to feel uber- but want new content with new challenges and new gear- so they can move on to that, while laggers like you and casuals complete the old content.

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Originally Posted by DragonFist

yet you have no proof of this neither do i but hey there just opinions on what might happen you say ppl will choose the easy way out yet i think you have forgotten those that have already beat it wont even need it so the challenge for them is still there players that want an easy way out the option is there not every1 will do things with the buff hell some players may start winning ex primals 3-4 times then stop using it cause they feel they have learnt the fight enough that they are ready to face the challenge

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I just...what? O_o Now that I've gotten that out of the way...there will be some who won't take the "easy" way out and disable their echo buffs. A lot of people though will opt to keep it enabled with old content behind them (the content it applies to) and new content ahead of them. That's just how most people are. I like a challenge but I don't like to raid, but I'm also one person. I will most likely be keeping my buff on though.

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Originally Posted by ispano

See that's the thing, I'm not saying it should or shouldn't happen. I understand it both ways. To counter this: "And what's with the unhealthy obsession of other players being forced to experience the original difficulty?" Why will people be forced to fight the nerfed version? And before you respond that they won't, how many people are you going to find that will be willing to do it without the echo buff? It's practically being forced.

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It ain't forced it's optional. You can choose to do or to not do end game content. You can choose to run it with your party or pick up strangers. You can choose to or not to use your best in slot gear. You have the choice to choose between jobs and roles. You can choose to use the echo buffs or not. Food buffs, potions, protect, stoneskin, regen, stuns, etc are all optional as well as much as using a Dragoon throughout the entire encounter.

The only thing that's "forced" is the "skill" needed to "complete" end-game content and not everyone will have the opportunity to be lucky to have highly skilled and reliable players to do it with be it from FC, LS, PF, or DF.

I have the option to waste my time with Twintania and Titan EX but I choose not to waste my gil and time on them when I can do something else that's more productive for me.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I just...what? O_o Now that I've gotten that out of the way...there will be some who won't take the "easy" way out and disable their echo buffs. A lot of people though will opt to keep it enabled with old content behind them (the content it applies to) and new content ahead of them. That's just how most people are. I like a challenge but I don't like to raid, but I'm also one person. I will most likely be keeping my buff on though.

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This was the unhealthy obsession I was talking about. You care too much about what others "might" do.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I just...what? O_o Now that I've gotten that out of the way...there will be some who won't take the "easy" way out and disable their echo buffs. A lot of people though will opt to keep it enabled with old content behind them (the content it applies to) and new content ahead of them. That's just how most people are. I like a challenge but I don't like to raid, but I'm also one person. I will most likely be keeping my buff on though.

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some use for old content maybe new players using it most likely new content highly likely so players get a better understanding of fights to the point they can then have the real fun anything under t5 and ex primals i doubt ill use an echo buff for it the only thing i see me using an echo buff for is garuda ex purely just for the hp boost on drg or mnk even tho once i90 i doubt its even going to be needed (i80drg atm) almost got 1shot on drg a couple of times so maybe i90 drg wont be 1shot but the buff for the hp is nice i wont be knocking on deaths door with 186hp or something XD

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Originally Posted by DragonFist

yet you have no proof of this neither do i but hey there just opinions on what might happen you say ppl will choose the easy way out yet i think you have forgotten those that have already beat it wont even need it so the challenge for them is still there players that want an easy way out the option is there not every1 will do things with the buff hell some players may start winning ex primals 3-4 times then stop using it cause they feel they have learnt the fight enough that they are ready to face the challenge

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Proof? I have years of experience in many other MMOs. That's what people do.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

It ain't forced it's optional. You can choose to do or to not do end game content. You can choose to run it with your party or pick up strangers. You can choose to or not to use your best in slot gear. You have the choice to choose between jobs and roles. You can choose to use the echo buffs or not. Food buffs, potions, protect, stoneskin, regen, stuns, etc are all optional as well as much as using a Dragoon throughout the entire encounter.

The only thing that's "forced" is the "skill" needed to "complete" end-game content and not everyone will have the opportunity to be lucky to have highly skilled and reliable players to do it with be it from FC, LS, PF, or DF.

I have the option to waste my time with Twintania and Titan EX but I choose not to waste my gil and time on them when I can do something else that's more productive for me.

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It's an illusion of choice. Always has and always will be when the majority is against you. When the majority choose to keep the buff, and based on my experience, they will, even if you remove yours, the fight as a whole is still nerfed for that person. When the majority chooses to accept the buff, that leaves less people that want to do it at the normal difficulty, making it harder and sometimes impossible to find them. Again, this is from experience.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

This was the unhealthy obsession I was talking about. You care too much about what others "might" do.

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I'm not obsessing about what others "might" do at all. I've just been around the block enough to get a general idea. Do I know that this is exactly how things will play out? Of course not. I do however have some experience in how people approach content that has been nerfed.

[QUOTE=ispano;1969688]Proof? I have years of experience in many other MMOs. That's what people do.

because your experience is everyone's experience lul ..... such a joke XD ive played many MMO's doesnt mean i can mind read over 1million people that play 1 specific game and be like YEAHHHH ITS GONNA SUCK lol.....
every mmo is different unless ofcourse the players are the exact same people that played your previous MMO wich btw i highly doubt not every1 is the same and not every1 has had players in MMOs saying oohh look a buff should we make this golem boss 99times easier by using it? some actually have and some have actually opt to not use it for the extra fun heck when ifrit hard was still fairly new my old FC did ifrit HM naked with only relic weapons just for fun and we still won oh and silly hats for fun :)
as you said earlier some people like a challenge some dont so yes some will use it might be the majority just means those that dont want it have to seek other players that also dont want it you are not being forced to play with people that want the buff go make a PF and put in the comment no echo buff or something

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Originally Posted by DragonFist

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Until you, and others it seems, understand that having a "choice" does not mean you always get to exercise said choice, this conversation will go nowhere. People have tried to use that argument since likely before i've played MMOs. It still doesn't work.