Sorry bud. But it's not as simple as just shoe horning it in and it magically works. Something as simple as an item being added has the potential to crash an entire server in an extreme case. Anyone remember when the bugged items on peoples Bazaars and retainers would crash zones? Like I said I have seen something as simple as a bugged weapon crash an entire server. Building a system from the ground up takes months to implement and then months more to perfect and get features added.Quote:
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Market Wards vs AH
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03-10-2011, 08:05 AMXzen
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03-10-2011, 08:06 AMkukurumeiYea...that's your last defensive argument...Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
How about taking a look at all the private server MMOs out there. YOu can see what it's like yourself..but then you might not like the fact it's less high tech then you think in terms of item ID manipulation.
Actually Bazaars are harder to implement then an AH. It's actually connected to a player that has to be track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xzen
An AH is...just there. Look up, toggle, lookup toggle.
Stop trying to devalue AH because you want Market wards to look good. -
03-10-2011, 08:10 AMXzenI couldn't care less what they call it and most of the features your talking about will likely be added with the system that's currently in place. So whats your deal? It's easier to build on what is already there than it is to scrap it and start from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by kukurumei
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03-10-2011, 08:15 AMkukurumeiBecause it's complexity for the sake of complexity.Quote:
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Why figure out a faster way to carry buckets on your head...when you can carry buckets...with you know hands. It was foolish to carry buckets on your head in the first place anyway, that's why market wards are so bad. -
03-10-2011, 08:16 AMAbriaelYou forgot a little detail. Those private server MMOs have been taken up when the code was already done, finished, polished and tested. You quite evidently have no idea of what it takes to get to that point.Quote:
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Actually Bazars aren't connected to players. They are connected to retainers. And retainers are just code. They aren't independent entities with an AI that may suddenly decide to rebel, you know?Quote:
Actually Bazaars are harder to implement then an AH. It's actually connected to a player that has to be track.
A retainer is nothing else than a module of a database. The implementation is slightly different (you add the items to a retainer, and the retainer's inventory is added to the database as a whole, instead of having you adding the items to the database directly), but not THAT much different.
Every other difference is cosmetic.
There's no need to devalue anything. The Market wards ARE an AH with a graphical interface. The only big different is that the Market Wards are already there, an AH has to be done from scratch, and the development and testing resources it would need are better used elsewhere.Quote:
Stop trying to devalue AH because you want Market wards to look good.
Must be why millions of people in the world carry buckets on their head? Are they all foolish?Quote:
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What about those that use a yoke? all foolish? What about a truck? What a bunch of fools.
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03-10-2011, 08:19 AMkukurumeiThat is sort of true...after the overhaul market wards have gotten close to AH basic functions. That still doesn't solve the problem of being inferior in every way to an AH, with extra complexity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
So would you rather spend a month every time you add a feature to market wards or bug fix it because it's crowded or collision, or any other number of problems.
Or make an AH that can be done in under a month at most.
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03-10-2011, 08:27 AMAbriaelYou overstimate the complexity of the market wards over the AH by quite a lot. They are a database. The AH is a database. They are handled in slightly different ways in implementation, but the added complexity is mostly in the cosmetic aspect of the wards, which is already coded and nicely ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by kukurumei
Your estimates of the times needed to add a feature to the market wards are completely arbitrary.
As it's completely arbitrary your estimate of the time needed to create an AH, and TEST it. It took several months in FFXI, just to bring an example, and initially it was buggy as hell.
And finally, the market wards allow featrures that an AH does not have. In an AH you can't go around and see an armor worn before purchasing it, for instance, unless you create a completely new preview interface, adding to the complexity of the AH (and then it defeats the purpose of avoiding complexity, isn't it?)
The "inferior in every way" is rather funny, because there's not even one feature of an AH that cannot be implemented in the market wards system as it is now. -
03-10-2011, 08:30 AMXzenEven with an AH it would take that long to implement a new function. Once it get's to the point where you walk up to an NPC behind a counter placed just outside the market wards and maybe 2 or 3 other places around the cities where you can buy/sell all from that NPC it'll all be good and the same as having an AH. It'll get there. Why do you ask? Because that is what we all want!Quote:
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03-10-2011, 08:34 AMNayliaLOL!!! Under a month!! Funniest thing I've heard all dayQuote:
Originally Posted by kukurumei
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03-10-2011, 08:36 AMAbriaelI told him to send in a resume to SE. Seriously, if he can do (and test) an AH in under a month, he has a bright future in the industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naylia
but he chickened out....