What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

I won't post it here to avoid spoilers but the Pandaemonium P8 (Savage) exclusive boss design is pretty cool. I would have loved to see something like it in the MSQ's instead of Meteion.

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I don't trust them at all anymore. I don't remember another game which cheats death like this. Killed all sense of danger for me. Since Zenos returned i can't take danger seriously.

My experience is, if a NPC does not say: "It was only a setback", he can return every time from the dead. :)


Cheers

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I don't trust them at all anymore. I don't remember another game which cheats death like this. Killed all sense of danger for me. Since Zenos returned i can't take danger seriously.

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I am playing 2 rpgs that cheat death like FF and they are not even FF games. :D

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I won't post it here to avoid spoilers but the Pandaemonium P8 (Savage) exclusive boss design is pretty cool. I would have loved to see something like it in the MSQ's instead of Meteion.

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Gave me resident evil vibes..hehe. Seems there is a sizeable difficulty spike between p7s and p8s.

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I don't trust them at all anymore. I don't remember another game which cheats death like this. Killed all sense of danger for me. Since Zenos returned i can't take danger seriously.

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When Zenos returns for the umpteenth time as the main villain for 7.0:

https://i.imgur.com/l8W9AdK.gif

Y'shtola: "Somehow, Zenos returned."

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I won't post it here to avoid spoilers but the Pandaemonium P8 (Savage) exclusive boss design is pretty cool. I would have loved to see something like it in the MSQ's instead of Meteion.

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I saw it and freaked out. THAT is the level of Nightmare Fuel I was looking for with the End of Days.

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It's a shame because Y'shtola ruins every scene she's in now. EW made her so unlikeable.

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It's unfortunate you feel she does that for you. Many people love Y'shtola and finds she makes the scenes she's in very enjoyable. All of those takes on both sides are opinions. She doesn't objectively "make" or "ruin" anything.

I conducted a double-blind randomized controlled trial and the results were Y'shtola objectively ruins every scene she's in. Just accept that you're wrong.

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It's unfortunate you feel she does that for you. Many people love Y'shtola and finds she makes the scenes she's in very enjoyable. All of those takes on both sides are opinions. She doesn't objectively "make" or "ruin" anything.

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What am I supposed to find enjoyable about a character who does nothing but give lore expositions and is used as a means to make light of the male members of the party?

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What am I supposed to find enjoyable about a character who does nothing but give lore expositions and is used as a means to make light of the male members of the party?

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Yshtola is naught more then a Miqote and all Miqote girls(except V'kebbe) have bad takes and all have a seat at the mean girls table. It would not surprise me if Yshtola descended from Athena.

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It's unfortunate you feel she does that for you. Many people love Y'shtola and finds she makes the scenes she's in very enjoyable. All of those takes on both sides are opinions. She doesn't objectively "make" or "ruin" anything.

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Many people also like modern star wars. Doesn't mean there isn't plenty wrong with the IP, lol.

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Many people also like modern star wars. Doesn't mean there isn't plenty wrong with the IP, lol.

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Hey, we do not diss Jedi: Fallen Order!

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When Zenos returns for the umpteenth time at as the main villain for 7.0:

https://i.imgur.com/l8W9AdK.gif

Y'shtola: "Somehow, Zenos returned."

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Throw Rofus in there for taking an explosion to the face and walking away like another day in the park.

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Ah yes, pleading misogyny when someone disagrees with a video game character. Next up on how low and can the lore community go.

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Emet-Selch was right all along it seems.

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Emet-Selch was right all along it seems.

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Always has been.

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Hey, we do not diss Jedi: Fallen Order!

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Low hanging fruit, hey! Can I have some? ;3

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It's unfortunate you feel she does that for you. Many people love Y'shtola and finds she makes the scenes she's in very enjoyable. All of those takes on both sides are opinions. She doesn't objectively "make" or "ruin" anything.

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Hey, now. I don't see any "in my opinions" in here. Also, "many people?" who are these many people you speak of? We need names, details. Every last one. ;3

I used to find Y'shtola tolerable but she's becoming about as much as an insufferable know-it-all as Hermione Granger at this point. It'd be pretty refreshing to see one of her theories be shown to be utterly wrong to humble her a little. I think if the intention is to make a cast of protagonists to be likeable and relatable then ensuring that they stumble and fall from time to time is a necessity. I'm also not sure why Y'shtola was insisting on being the one to share her aether with Zero when she's supposedly weakened already by her inability to see through regular means.

I suppose I just miss the days where the game's worldbuilding and story accounted for such things more prominently.

At any rate, Zero is a refreshing breath of fresh air by virtue of having a more mercenary personality to the other characters. How long that lasts, exactly, remains to be seen - but it showcases how the dynamic of a scene can become a lot more interesting when new faces and personalities are mixed in with the old.

As far as mercenaries go I maintain that we should've picked her or a character like that up at a tavern (in 6.1) instead of relying on a magic crystal to purify her for us. A simple, more generic scene > cheap devices being thrown in randomly.

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I used to find Y'shtola tolerable but she's becoming about as much as an insufferable know-it-all as Hermione Granger at this point. It'd be pretty refreshing to see one of her theories be shown to be utterly wrong to humble her a little. I think if the intention is to make a cast of protagonists to be likeable and relatable then ensuring that they stumble and fall from time to time is a necessity. I'm also not sure why Y'shtola was insisting on being the one to share her aether with Zero when she's supposedly weakened already by her inability to see through regular means.

I suppose I just miss the days where the game's worldbuilding and story accounted for such things more prominently.

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This is straining my credulity too. We keep getting these quests where Scions offer to dump their aether into something, whether it be a voidsent or auracite crystal or whatever. And like, it's pretty much always someone who just finished talking about being near-dead from exhaustion at the end of their rope.

Standing next to a person who's been rejoined more times than any living person, and is canonically the fountain of practical infinity plus one aether. While they just stand there and go "yup. Aether bleeding Y'shtola should be the one to hand over some aether. I'm just gonna stand here like I'm not the far more obvious candidate for it".

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Hey, now. I don't see any "in my opinions" in here. Also, "many people?" who are these many people you speak of? We need names, details. Every last one. ;3

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What you quoted:

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Sad, man. Just sad. Also, here's some polling for you :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...avorite_scion/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards...eborn/77792946

The first is from last year. The second is from three years ago. Y'shtola ranks #1 among the Scions in both. Note also that both polls put the few dozen unique posters on this forum to shame in terms of numbers.

More recent Japanese-specific polls rank Y'shtola lower, but show a huge fanbase for Venat. They also feature thousands of respondents, and rank EW as their favorite expansion (I can link those, too, if you like).

See, here's the difference. People pointing out that EW and the Scions are popular have a huge mountain of evidence to draw from supporting how many people really feel that way. People claiming "many" whatever in disagreement have nothing real to cite. The best we see is someone citing the one thread on here, ignoring that it's the same people posting over and over again and ignoring that a considerable portion of those posts are people praising the game and the Scions.

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I used to find Y'shtola tolerable but she's becoming about as much as an insufferable know-it-all as Hermione Granger at this point. It'd be pretty refreshing to see one of her theories be shown to be utterly wrong to humble her a little. I think if the intention is to make a cast of protagonists to be likeable and relatable then ensuring that they stumble and fall from time to time is a necessity. I'm also not sure why Y'shtola was insisting on being the one to share her aether with Zero when she's supposedly weakened already by her inability to see through regular means.

I suppose I just miss the days where the game's worldbuilding and story accounted for such things more prominently.

At any rate, Zero is a refreshing breath of fresh air by virtue of having a more mercenary personality to the other characters. How long that lasts, exactly, remains to be seen - but it showcases how the dynamic of a scene can become a lot more interesting when new faces and personalities are mixed in with the old.

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On one hand, Estinien is evidence they don't feel like they have to fit every character into a Disney mold. On the other hand they could have introduced her the way she is BECAUSE they will have her change completely later...

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This is straining my credulity too. We keep getting these quests where Scions offer to dump their aether into something, whether it be a voidsent or auracite crystal or whatever. And like, it's pretty much always someone who just finished talking about being near-dead from exhaustion at the end of their rope.

Standing next to a person who's been rejoined more times than any living person, and is canonically the fountain of practical infinity plus one aether. While they just stand there and go "yup. Aether bleeding Y'shtola should be the one to hand over some aether. I'm just gonna stand here like I'm not the far more obvious candidate for it".

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I personally would like to have those aether dumps be our wol more often but there is logic to it this way both from a group perspective but also from yshtola's perspective specifically. For a group it's not really the dumbest approach to keep your canonically most powerful member in top condition and yshtola specifically wants to keep the strain on the wol as low as possible after what the wol went through with their own aether on the first.

I consider Y'shtola to be one of the worst female characters in the entirety of the Final Fantasy series. Remember the teacher we had in our party that was actually likeable? Quistis ring a bill anyone? Even she wasn't as arrogant and smug as this immortal character is, whose fans are too attached to her to let any harm befall her no matter the cost to the story.

There are ways to do this sort of character archetype properly - though that usually requires a degree of endearment that is present nowhere in Y'shtola's writing. Instead that role for some reason had to go to G'raha Tia and Alisae. It also helps whenever such a character performs a noble sacrifice, that it isn't undone so swiftly and with nothing in the way of lasting consequences. Of all people to offer a Voidsent aether, it seems as if it was forgotten that Y'shtola relies on it to see. And then they had her doing battle in the skies surrounding Barbariccia's domain. How did this come to pass?

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I personally would like to have those aether dumps be our wol more often but there is logic to it this way both from a group perspective but also from yshtola's perspective specifically. For a group it's not really the dumbest approach to keep your canonically most powerful member in top condition and yshtola specifically wants to keep the strain on the wol as low as possible after what the wol went through with their own aether on the first.

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Disproven for the reasons above, our trip to the first happened long enough ago that the WoL has long since recovered. Y'shtola consumes aether to see regularly. If we should be worried about anyone's condition it should be hers. I'm quite tired of the game fussing over my character checking up on how ok they are or the endless "I care about you!" or "Don't push yourself too hard!" It's such an easy way to stifle any other tension that might be going on in the story.

It is high time for them to reconsider just what it is they want to do with this character and what her on-screen present is meant to accomplish besides just giving out endless, ill-timed explanations that take away from the heat of the action. Bench her and give us something better. As much as I despised Dragon Age Inquisition's Vivienne at least despite how cold that character was, she wasn't anywhere near as detrimental to my story experience as Y'shtola's is.

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I consider Y'shtola to be one of the worst female characters in the entirety of the Final Fantasy series. Remember the teacher we had in our party that was actually likeable? Quistis ring a bill anyone? Even she wasn't as arrogant and smug as this immortal character is, whose fans are too attached to her to let any harm befall her no matter the cost to the story.

There are ways to do this sort of character archetype properly - though that usually requires a degree of endearment that is present nowhere in Y'shtola's writing. Instead that role for some reason had to go to G'raha Tia and Alisae. It also helps whenever such a character performs a noble sacrifice, that it isn't undone so swiftly and with nothing in the way of lasting consequences. Of all people to offer a Voidsent aether, it seems as if it was forgotten that Y'shtola relies on it to see. And then they had her doing battle in the skies surrounding Barbariccia's domain. How did this come to pass?



Disproven for the reasons above, our trip to the first happened long enough ago that the WoL has long since recovered. Y'shtola consumes aether to see regularly. If we should be worried about anyone's condition it should be hers. I'm quite tired of the game fussing over my character checking up on how ok they are or the endless "I care about you!" or "Don't push yourself too hard!" It's such an easy way to stifle any other tension that might be going on in the story.

It is high time for them to reconsider just what it is they want to do with this character and what her on-screen present is meant to accomplish besides just giving out endless, ill-timed explanations that take away from the heat of the action. Bench her and give us something better. As much as I despised Dragon Age Inquisition's Vivienne at least despite how cold that character was, she wasn't anywhere near as detrimental to my story experience as Y'shtola's is.

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This disproves literally nothing. It being the best interest for people to worry about themselves first doesnt mean they will actually do so. That happens very frequently. It's a subjective reason for her to volunteer, nowhere did I claim it was the objective best choice.

Also doesnt disprove the logic of keeping your most powerful member in top shape as best as possible.

Most of my current dislike for Y'shtola is that her presence is the death of all narrative tension. She's so popular that *nothing* bad can happen to her. Nothing that isn't either glossed over (I barely remember she's blind. She always manages to see perfectly fine even when the ambient aether is explicitly thin) or instantly recovered (oh she used Flow again? Rescued in ten minutes by Emet. Died to make a path to the end of the universe? Bam, back to life).

I might have believed for a moment that Thancred or Estinien would be in trouble in Ultima Thule, but the nanosecond Y'shtola volunteered I knew heaven, hell, and the universe itself would bend around resurrecting her because she has plot armor more solid than Jean Grey and her personal velvet-roped revolving door to the afterlife.

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Remember the teacher we had in our party that was actually likeable? Quistis ring a bill anyone?

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Quistis? Likable?

I liked Quistis. She lost out somewhat in terms of story relevance after a certain point in the game but I found her far less annoying than Selphie, Irvine and Rinoa.

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Most of my current dislike for Y'shtola is that her presence is the death of all narrative tension. She's so popular that *nothing* bad can happen to her. Nothing that isn't either glossed over (I barely remember she's blind. She always manages to see perfectly fine even when the ambient aether is explicitly thin) or instantly recovered (oh she used Flow again? Rescued in ten minutes by Emet. Died to make a path to the end of the universe? Bam, back to life).

I might have believed for a moment that Thancred or Estinien would be in trouble in Ultima Thule, but the nanosecond Y'shtola volunteered I knew heaven, hell, and the universe itself would bend around resurrecting her because she has plot armor more solid than Jean Grey and her personal velvet-roped revolving door to the afterlife.

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It took you until urianger and yshtola? I felt it was barely believeable at thancred with it being entirely offscreen. With estinien I was 100% convinced that this was only temporary.

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I liked Quistis. She lost out somewhat in terms of story relevance after a certain point in the game but I found her far less annoying than Selphie, Irvine and Rinoa.

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This is more or less the same experience that many came away with from FFVIII. In terms of its female cast she was one of its better members. She also has something that Y'shtola doesn't, it being some degree of lasting growth and character progression that isn't as superficial as changing jobs or outfits.

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Yeah that would require that Quistis had more personality traits than "I think Squall is hot but decides I like him more as a younger brother aaaaaaaaand whoops I stop getting character development after disc 1". To be fair though, that gives her a second character dimension beyond "naughty nerd with a whip", which is one more dimension than half the party in FF8 has.

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Quistis (and most of the cast of FFVIII) is so underdeveloped I'm not even sure there's much to say about her beyond her chara design. But the most I remember about Quistis is her being horny for one of her students, not taking said student rejection well at all and almost making the assassination attempt fail for the dumbest of reasons... so yes, this isn't a great look.

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It took you until urianger and yshtola? I felt it was barely believeable at thancred with it being entirely offscreen. With estinien I was 100% convinced that this was only temporary.

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*One* of those two could have died. Maybe. Two was definite fakeout. Y'shtola just made the sacrifices actively funny after that point. They may as well have started with her. Though Thancred is pushing his plot armor too with his fakeout death in Amh Araeng. Y'shtola is just the one character I know they'd never kill off. She's in way too much promotional material.

I don't mind Y'shtola's personality in doses. If anything I've found Alisae's grouchy devil-may-care sniping hag routine more obnoxious in the last two expansions. But not gonna lie, I rolled my eyes just a touch when she was coming to the void with us. The void? Deadly maw of darkness and danger that gives pause to even a powerful ancient creature like Vrtra? Count me i- oh wait, Hermeowny Granger is coming? Ah crap, we're just going to run into Golbez and she's going to deliver an "it's LeviOHHHsa, not LevioSAAA" lecture, spit in his face, fling herself off a cliff, and wash up just fine in Sharlayan because she happened to fall directly into a rift shaped exactly like her body.

*see all these people beat up on VIII*
You know your story is suffering when people are saying "W-Well, at least it's not as bad as FF8!". You know, FF8. The game where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and thought "I dunno, the GFs eat their memories up. I dunno, lol." And this is coming from someone who actually liked FFVIII. If you think Squall is a 1 dimensional character then I doubt you remember the story. Play through the Garden vs Garden part of the story or the Esther part of the story and come back to me, lol.


Edit: Holy cow! I just realized the GF/memory part of VIII's story is just their sadbird/plot mcguffin moment! lol

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I used to find Y'shtola tolerable but she's becoming about as much as an insufferable know-it-all as Hermione Granger at this point. It'd be pretty refreshing to see one of her theories be shown to be utterly wrong to humble her a little. I think if the intention is to make a cast of protagonists to be likeable and relatable then ensuring that they stumble and fall from time to time is a necessity. I'm also not sure why Y'shtola was insisting on being the one to share her aether with Zero when she's supposedly weakened already by her inability to see through regular means.

I suppose I just miss the days where the game's worldbuilding and story accounted for such things more prominently.

At any rate, Zero is a refreshing breath of fresh air by virtue of having a more mercenary personality to the other characters. How long that lasts, exactly, remains to be seen - but it showcases how the dynamic of a scene can become a lot more interesting when new faces and personalities are mixed in with the old.

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The difference is Hermione got better in her characterization as time went on, while Y'shtola just keeps getting WORSE. Well, I think so anyway. I mean, I don't even hate Y'shtola she's just.... bland. A tasteless lump of clay with no charisma. I feel the same "meh" for her as I did for Zenos. Zenos was a half-assed Vegeta expy with 50% less entertaining charisma as the character who's archetype he borrows. Funny, that Zenos was so constantly bored since he bored ME more than half the time, haha.

As for Zero, well I'd wager her mercenary personality will last about as long as it takes for her to become our "friend" in sooth. Then she'll probably be as lame and stale and samey in characterization as the rest of the main cast Scions. Hells, give me Aymeric at this point I don't need to see Estinien every bloody day. Some variety would be pretty nice right about now.

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As far as mercenaries go I maintain that we should've picked her or a character like that up at a tavern (in 6.1) instead of relying on a magic crystal to purify her for us. A simple, more generic scene > cheap devices being thrown in randomly.

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Come now, the Warrior of Light can't pick up random slatterns from a tavern and use them as meat shields. They have an image to maintain!

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What you quoted:

Sad, man. Just sad. Also, here's some polling for you :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...avorite_scion/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards...eborn/77792946

The first is from last year. The second is from three years ago. Y'shtola ranks #1 among the Scions in both. Note also that both polls put the few dozen unique posters on this forum to shame in terms of numbers.

More recent Japanese-specific polls rank Y'shtola lower, but show a huge fanbase for Venat. They also feature thousands of respondents, and rank EW as their favorite expansion (I can link those, too, if you like).

See, here's the difference. People pointing out that EW and the Scions are popular have a huge mountain of evidence to draw from supporting how many people really feel that way. People claiming "many" whatever in disagreement have nothing real to cite. The best we see is someone citing the one thread on here, ignoring that it's the same people posting over and over again and ignoring that a considerable portion of those posts are people praising the game and the Scions.

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If you say so.

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The quote in my signature IS from Striker. But you have to remember to respect his majoritah. He is in the majoritah, thus his opinion is actually a fact and you must respect it.

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Remember when one poster clapped back at you randomly with "Btw, Stan from South Park sucks!"

Ishgard remembers. They thought it was stupid too, and served that poster to Nidhogg in a stew. Nidhogg loved that stew, and he and Ishgard friended each other on AmaurotSpace and lived happily ever after. Also Hythlodaeus was there.

That feeling when you think you’ve read most of the Endwalker story/Venat vs Convocation debate and then you find this gem of a thread

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*One* of those two could have died. Maybe. Two was definite fakeout. Y'shtola just made the sacrifices actively funny after that point. They may as well have started with her. Though Thancred is pushing his plot armor too with his fakeout death in Amh Araeng. Y'shtola is just the one character I know they'd never kill off. She's in way too much promotional material.

I don't mind Y'shtola's personality in doses. If anything I've found Alisae's grouchy devil-may-care sniping hag routine more obnoxious in the last two expansions. But not gonna lie, I rolled my eyes just a touch when she was coming to the void with us. The void? Deadly maw of darkness and danger that gives pause to even a powerful ancient creature like Vrtra? Count me i- oh wait, Hermeowny Granger is coming? Ah crap, we're just going to run into Golbez and she's going to deliver an "it's LeviOHHHsa, not LevioSAAA" lecture, spit in his face, fling herself off a cliff, and wash up just fine in Sharlayan because she happened to fall directly into a rift shaped exactly like her body.

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Do you want someone to remind you about that prediction once the MSQ has gotten up to golbez to check how much of it turned out to be true?

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That feeling when you think you’ve read most of the Endwalker story/Venat vs Convocation debate and then you find this gem of a thread

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Nonsense, you haven't read any of the relevant Endwalker story/Venat vs Convocation debate UNTIL you find this thread! ;3

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*see all these people beat up on VIII*
You know your story is suffering when people are saying "W-Well, at least it's not as bad as FF8!". You know, FF8. The game where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and thought "I dunno, the GFs eat their memories up. I dunno, lol." And this is coming from someone who actually liked FFVIII. If you think Squall is a 1 dimensional character then I doubt you remember the story. Play through the Garden vs Garden part of the story or the Esther part of the story and come back to me, lol.


Edit: Holy cow! I just realized the GF/memory part of VIII's story is just their sadbird/plot mcguffin moment! lol

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He is unironically my fave single player entry protagonist, followed by Cloud. Granted I haven't played some of the older ones, but I doubt Bartz is going to sway me. :p

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That feeling when you think you’ve read most of the Endwalker story/Venat vs Convocation debate and then you find this gem of a thread

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As an aside, we've congregated in this discord given that many here eventually unsub and wanted a way to keep in touch: https://discord.gg/5jWFkZ7U

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The difference is Hermione got better in her characterization as time went on, while Y'shtola just keeps getting WORSE. Well, I think so anyway. I mean, I don't even hate Y'shtola she's just.... bland. A tasteless lump of clay with no charisma. I feel the same "meh" for her as I did for Zenos. Zenos was a half-assed Vegeta expy with 50% less entertaining charisma as the character who's archetype he borrows. Funny, that Zenos was so constantly bored since he bored ME more than half the time, haha.

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Yes, same here. The above-mentioned characters don't really rise to the level of attracting such a visceral emotion as "hate" from me. I just find them a bit bland.

I didn't mind the cast in FF8. They acted like people I knew IRL.

Except Rinoa. Rinoa is the worst female character in the entire franchise. She does nothing but stupid crap all game when she's not just flirting with Squall obsessively, and yet the story will push her at us all the time like we're supposed to care about her.

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I didn't mind the cast in FF8. They acted like people I knew IRL.

Except Rinoa. Rinoa is the worst female character in the entire franchise. She does nothing but stupid crap all game when she's not just flirting with Squall obsessively, and yet the story will push her at us all the time like we're supposed to care about her.

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The funny part is she started to become likeable when her and Squall went for a walk down Horizon's Bridge. :^)