Global Alpha Test Start Date

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Originally Posted by Nuru

I know what you are getting at, but think of it this way. Maybe that report will lead to the case of the Robber who wears a purple polka-dotted chocobo suit? What a twist!.

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Sounds like a job for Scooby and the gang! Pull off his chocobo mask, Freddy! Let's see who he really is!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Because you obviously have no means to disprove what is being said, so you're evading the issue.

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What issue? I see no issue in question, because I don't have to source. You made the claim now fork over the evidence. Or else I'll just see you as a troll who's looking for attention.

Oh noes, I didn't get picked.. I'm gunna write essays about why that's bad now.

This thread gave me cancer.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

What issue? I see no issue in question, because I don't have to source. You made the claim now fork over the evidence. Or else I'll just see you as a troll who's looking for attention.

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I did. You just didn't accept it. But that's your issue, not mine.

Now call me when you have something to fork over to deny those claims made by multiple people, will you?

Besides, this alpha test is very limited, as Yoshi said.

Seriously, who would want to be given a focus, only to find out that...

if you didn't complete it, you'd be turned into a l'Cie...

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Originally Posted by Abriael

You can just put your nose out of the window and confirm or deny that allegation. Just another comparison that doesn't fit the case.

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But can you see outside my window?

If not, how can you confirm or deny my "reports"?

BOOM!!! LOGIC BOMB!!!! lol

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Besides, this alpha test is very limited, as Yoshi said.

Seriously, who would want to be given a focus, only to find out that...

if you didn't complete it, you'd be turned into a l'Cie...

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Whoever is passionate about this game and wants to contribute as much as possible to its success by providing feedback and bug reports.

There are people like that.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

But can you see outside my window?
If not, how can you confirm or deny my "reports"?
BOOM!!! LOGIC BOMB!!!! lol

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The little difference is that you won't risk to get banned if your report about a chocobo outside your window proves false.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I did. You just didn't accept it. But that's your issue, not mine.

Now call me when you have something to fork over to deny those claims made by multiple people, will you?

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A Link on the very forums that loves to blow things out of proportion is not a source and far from it. I said give me an outside source. Who are these "Multiple people" again I don't see them in my Binoculars!

I know I know your lazy/ don't have the time to show me these "other links", we all know your a busy man! :p

are we still whining in here....? *dejected sigh*

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Originally Posted by Ralos

are we still whining in here....? *dejected sigh*

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Careful. Saying whining people are whining is MEAN.

Some people don't take kindly to blunt truth round these here parts. lol

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Whoever is passionate about this game and wants to contribute as much as possible to its success by providing feedback and bug reports.

There are people like that.



The little difference is that you won't risk to get banned if your report about a chocobo outside your window proves false.

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I know, and if you havent seen the thread I made about the PS3 Beta, I'd have to say I'm very concerned about this too. In fact, anyone who took the time to fill out the application are passionate enough to get in. Right now, we are over-qualified. :P

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Originally Posted by Starlord

A Link on the very forums that loves to blow things out of proportion is not a source and far from it. I said give me an outside source. Who are these "Multiple people" again I don't see them in my Binoculars!

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You only have to read that thread to see them. There are two just in the first page. Might want to change binoculars.

You're in no position to add conditions to a source. There's no reason why an "outside" forums would be more truthful than this one. As a matter of fact, in an outside forum there's no rule that states that posting false information can get you banned. Here there is.

If you don't want to accept the evidence (and yes, multiple witnesses are evidence unless disproven) just because it disproves your case, the ball is in your field.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Some people don't take kindly to blunt truth round these here parts. lol

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No, some people don't take kindly to insults. But the concept seems to be too complex for some.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

I know, and if you havent seen the thread I made about the PS3 Beta, I'd have to say I'm very concerned about this too. In fact, anyone who took the time to fill out the application are passionate enough to get in. Right now, we are over-qualified. :P

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Filling an application takes five minutes. As a matter of fact I always felt that developers should put more barriers of acceptance to potential testers, especially in the earliest phases.

If I had a dollar for all the people i know that apply to ALL the testings they come across just to have some new game to take out for a romp for a couple hours before disinstalling it, I'd at least be able to buy myself a game on steam.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

The little difference is that you won't risk to get banned if your report about a chocobo outside your window proves false.

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So, basically, there's no proof because of the NDA, and SE has not confirmed the truth of it. What we have left to go on is the word of a bunch of people who didn't get into alpha. Hmm...



http://www.lolbrary.com/content/319/...egit-14319.jpg

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You're in no position to add conditions to a source.

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Your cutting into my Suikoden V time ya know!

I don't know how skye deals with you.. your like a Married woman that's leeching on this thread for dear life to make sure everyone is wrong.

Bring these "Multiple Witness forward" I would love to ask a few questions to them =).

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I don't know how skye deals with you.. your like a Married woman that's leeching on this thread for dear life to make sure everyone is wrong.

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The secret is to not take him seriously in any manner whatsoever. Which is not hard, given what he posts, lol. It's a jolly time, actually.

Oh, and make fun of crybabies. He'll go all nanny on you and tell you you're being naughty. It's a riot! XD

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Your cutting into my Suikoden V time ya know!

I don't know how skye deals with you.. your like a Married woman that's leeching on this thread for dear life to make sure everyone is wrong.

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Personal attacks don't really add more solidity to your argument.

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Bring these "Multiple Witness forward" I would love to ask a few questions to them =).

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They're in the thread I linked. Feel free to question them. The post is not locked and I don't believe your posting rights have been restricted.

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So, basically, there's no proof because of the NDA

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Say hello to the fact that, until contrary evidence, witnesses ARE proof.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Your cutting into my Suikoden V time ya know!

I don't know how skye deals with you.. your like a Married woman that's leeching on this thread for dear life to make sure everyone is wrong.

Bring these "Multiple Witness forward" I would love to ask a few questions to them =).

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"Off with their heads!"

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He'll go all nanny on you and tell you you're being naughty.

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*Takes down notes* I'm Telling SANTA CLAUS ON YOU! XD

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

The secret is to not take him seriously in any manner whatsoever. Which is not hard, given what he posts, lol. It's a jolly time, actually.

Oh, and make fun of crybabies. He'll go all nanny on you and tell you you're being naughty. It's a riot! XD

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Translation of the above: "I cannot disprove or counter what he says, so I'll try with ridicule and personal attacks".

Old forum trick. And as all old tricks it doesn't really work.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

*Takes down notes* I'm Telling SANTA CLAUS ON YOU! XD

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He'll be too busy playing Alpha to put him on the naughty list. >_> See? even Santa got an invite. and did anyone care to check HIS lodestone?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Say hello to the fact that, until contrary evidence, witnesses ARE proof.

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LMAO

And witnesses never lie or stretch the truth by any imagination. ESPECIALLY on game forums! Nope, never happens! XD

People are looking for patterns where there are none.

They said about 1 in 6 people in the states got on, and 1 in 3 from europe, 1 in 4 from Japan.

They are favoring testing proportions in Europe due to nearly twice as many people in Europe reporting severe lag issues over the US.

Japan has a fair amount too, as they were defaulted home nation of the devs.

Now, to the point:

The numbers are not designed to be inversely proportional to those who have played for so long as to feel they deserve something.

They spoke of two major influences of beta access: XIII beta key and activity in 1.0.

Now lets see what Alpha is meant to be, based on Yoshi's notes and the tour videos:


Presentation

New largely customizable interface, faster menu response times, redesigned overworld map, and others. Main missions are not yet implemented.


Graphics

Graphics engine has been beefed up considerably, with many core models entirely rebuilt from the ground up. Eye candy abundant, although only performing at a fraction of live capabilities.


Sound

New music, but limited sound effects in Alpha.


Gameplay

A flexible class system but limited to 2 disciplines of war, 1 of magic, 2 of hand and 1 of land. 2 race choices with genders pre-decided. Combat & other activities are still utilizing incomplete interfaces and performance. Questing is few and far between, as alpha testing is meant to test server loads and stability, not thorough content exploration.


Lasting Appeal
Again, lack of content results in very short term appeal.

In Beta, they will need many more people, as much more content will be implemented, more worlds, and more people needed to test.

The less they worry about gratifying us with content, the more they can get the content "properly" ready. Give them the time to do their job. if you get in, you get in, and it will be entirely based on SE's needs, not your own.

/rant off

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

And witnesses never lie or stretch the truth by any imagination. ESPECIALLY on game forums! Nope, never happens! XD

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They might. And in order to invalidate their testimony you have to prove that they are. Go right ahead if you can.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

He'll be too busy playing Alpha to put him on the naughty list. >_> See? even Santa got an invite. and did anyone care to check HIS lodestone?

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Well I heard from a person who heard from a person who worked as the doctor of a janitor who used to go to grade school with another janitor who works at SE that Santa DID get an invite, and he's NOT AN ACTIVE MEMBER! :mad:

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Originally Posted by Abriael

They might. And in order to invalidate their testimony you have to prove that they are. Go right ahead if you can.

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Isn't the burden of proof on the one who makes said allegations?

So... about that proof... lol

After playing a crap ton of Phoenix Wright, mostly all the witnesses lie. lol >.> But seriously though, unless it has been stated as solid evidence by a Rep that this is exactly what is going on, then there is sadly no real way to prove it, and by then, there wouldn't be any reason to prove anything.

To be honest, I don't know if it was the application requirements that are misleading, or all of these supposed people that got invites.

I'm laughing right now at the mere trolling that's going on... I have to speak with Lucretia on a Tactic to stop this Mayham! * Goes to the War room with the 108 stars!*

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Isn't the burden of proof on the one who makes said allegations?

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Only that witnesses are proof. One person made an allegation and multiple witnesses confirmed it (and in an environment in which posting false information is punishable, mind you). Unless you can somehow disprove what the witnesses say, the case is iron clad.

Again, go right ahead if you can.

What if like.. and this may sound crazy, but... what if everyone was just saying all of this, and there really wasnt a global alpha? :O!!!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Only that witnesses are proof. One person made an allegation. Multiple witnesses confirmed it. Unless you can somehow disprove what the witnesses say, the case is iron clad.

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If there are witnesses, I like to talk with them. If you know your right you shouldn't have a problem hearing your witnesses. Surely you can't object to that?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

If there are witnesses, I like to talk with them. If you know your right you shouldn't have a problem hearing your witnesses. Surely you can't object to that?

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He pointed you towards the thread to go mingle with the witnesses. Remember to be nice to them though big guy. D;

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Originally Posted by Starlord

If there are witnesses, I like to talk with them. If you know your right you shouldn't have a problem hearing your witnesses. Surely you can't object to that?

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What part of "the thread I linked is open to all, feel free to ask them questions" did you not understand?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Only that witnesses are proof. One person made an allegation. multiple witnesses confirmed it (and in an environment in which posting false information is punishable, mind you). Unless you can somehow disprove what the witnesses say, the case is iron clad.

Again, go right ahead if you can.

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So, one random person made an allegation on a game forum, and a bunch of other people confirmed it (with no proof), SE has yet to confirm the truth of these allegations, and you are calling it "iron clad"?

Are you purposely making this easy for me? Really? I'd prefer somewhat of a challenge, you know. XD

This thread would be completely epic with more of these:

http://i.imgur.com/RvOJM.png

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Originally Posted by Nuru

What if like.. and this may sound crazy, but... what if everyone was just saying all of this, and there really wasnt a global alpha? :O!!!

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http://blog.ancientlasers.com/wp-con...Mind-Blown.jpg

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Originally Posted by Abriael

What part of "the thread I linked is open to all, feel free to ask them questions" did you not understand?

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Because I read the thread and all I see is "one person makes claim (op) and then a huge debate follows" much like this thread. In fact this thread is no different than the link you sent me. Which is why I said it's not really a creditable source.

Time to complain but don't have the time to show me proof.

Great time management dar!

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Because I read the thread and all I see is "one person makes claim (op) and then a huge debate follows" much like this thread. In fact this thread is no different than the link you sent me. Which is why I said it's not really a creditable source.

Time to complain but don't have the time to show me proof.

Great time management dar!

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I've actually seen a few others that claimed they have friends that got invites too, people that havent played since a month after the game launched. He did provide a creditable source, and I do understand that you are busy playing an awesome Suikoden game to give more than one crap, but hey, just sayin.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

So, one random person made an allegation on a game forum, and a bunch of other people confirmed it (with no proof), SE has yet to confirm the truth of these allegations, and you are calling it "iron clad"?

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And where's the difference between that and a random person accusing you to have stolen his car and a bunch of other people telling that they saw you?

That can send you to jail unless you prove them wrong, you know?

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Are you purposely making this easy for me? Really? I'd prefer somewhat of a challenge, you know. XD

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Oh yeah, very easy. That's why you have to resort to personal attacks, misplaced sarcasm and smileis to try and hide the fact that your argument has collapsed several pages ago.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Because I read the thread and all I see is "one person makes claim (op) and then a huge debate follows" much like this thread. In fact this thread is no different than the link you sent me. Which is why I said it's not really a creditable source.

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You may have not read it very attentively, because nowhere in that thread there's anyone that disproves those claims, while there are several posts that confirm them.

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Time to complain but don't have the time to show me proof.

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I did. You just didn't accept it. Which is entirely your problem and shows how weak your position is.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

And where's the difference between that and a random person accusing you to have stolen his car and a bunch of other people telling that they saw you?

That can send you to jail unless you prove them wrong, you know?

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Afterwards, an investigation would would occur, and if there is no evidence I've stolen the car, well I'll be darned, I walk free!

Kuh-razy, eh? lol

Ah forget it not worth my time anymore, think what you want.

( still doesn't know why people are so uptight) but meh

If you were in a courtroom and didn't have all available sources you would surely lose. That's all I'm saying

Edit: Reinheart is twice the man you can ever be! At least he gives all sources to his "translation claims" and makes sure there's not a huge debate on his thread.

If your going to make a bold claim, give all sources that supports that pillar. You say it's all over Twitter? Should be easy enough to link it to me? you won't do it? Either lazy or its Fictional.

You made the claim not I show me "ALL" the proof. not a snippet

If you don't wanna show me proof, then this is my last post on this thread.