Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

and another tidbit from Discord...

[2:29 PM] N: Can we stop beating the fresh dead corpse of WHM
[2:29 PM] N: let it rest in pieces intact

Hey...SE...even other players that DON'T PLAY WHM ARE SAYING IT'S DEAD.

WHM is the best at main healing though and has the most potent cure spells.

Waiting for final numbers to see how it works is always a good idea, but currently with the iteration we have seen and what WHM has lost.... it's akin to gutting it. As others have said the utility is almost dead on WHM and with the RNG/Mechanics of the new skills they will sadly not live up to other skills the healers received. I mean... The good buffs we had and loved are gone and given to all healers in a weaker way. As for your argument Javid I question why you're even here when you're input, be it well thought out if you're like 10, isn't convincing. As someone that has healed in many MMOs, and played WHM since ARR, I can say that these changes are hurting much more than what you think they are. Go play the class. Maybe then you'll get it.

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Originally Posted by Ceasaria

Honestly, i just checked all the skills.
If Scholar didn't have Chain Stratagem (new battle lithany), he would not be able to guarentee his place.
Whm healing is just monstrous and could be the main heal (and could solo heal) easily for each content.
Don't underestimate him.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

WHM is the best at main healing though and has the most potent cure spells.

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Except that Dirunal AST has higher healer potencies in Stormblood, and can instant-cast Asphelios and Helios, and have a powerful Collective Unconscious that is three times more powerful than Medica II when CelOpp'd.

You guys forgetting that Assize is now extremely OP now? It's big damage and big heal, instantly, with 10% MP to boot.

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Originally Posted by Skyrior

Except that Dirunal AST has higher healer potencies in Stormblood, and can instant-cast Asphelios and Helios, and have a powerful Collective Unconscious that is three times more powerful than Medica II when CelOpp'd.

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and whats the recast time on that spells? :P

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Originally Posted by Zumi

WHM is the best at main healing though and has the most potent cure spells.

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this isnt' what upsets me at all though, the problem is they've asked me to start casting Cure I and Cure II all the time. I didn't use to have to do that, I had other WHM spells that made healing a more passive action and let me focus on my utility and dps skills. It seems like they're removing that flexibility from the job because I am no longer playing optimally when I maximize the effects of my Heals over Time.

This is a flaw, plain and simple and its an oversight the devs need to address asap

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Originally Posted by Leonus

With how hard Sam hits, they don't need more utility than slashing debuff for the tanks. Basi

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Unless math concluded that no raid buff is a DPS loss vs having a MNK+DGR+RDM+BRD (just an example), then you can kiss goodbye SAM for meta. We will see anyway.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

WHM is the best at main healing though and has the most potent cure spells.

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http://i.imgur.com/NfU3GnM.jpg

No.

We still have Repose though. Is that the new WHM identity? We can sleep stuff in pre 2.1 dungeons?

Honestly I think it's more an issue with AST being completely OP rather then WHM being bad.

I'm recalling a certain situation.

Oh yes. 3.0 astrologian. In before that repeats, but for white mage. Then again, I'm still rolling with Yoshida's "please trust me" on white mage for Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

We still have Repose though. Is that the new WHM identity? We can sleep stuff in pre 2.1 dungeons?

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They dont wanted to let WHMs Hotbar look totally empty.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

You guys forgetting that Assize is now extremely OP now? It's big damage and big heal, instantly, with 10% MP to boot.

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Ast gets a ground-targeted one that's more powerful.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I'm recalling a certain situation.

Oh yes. 3.0 astrologian. In before that repeats, but for white mage. Then again, I'm still rolling with Yoshida's "please trust me" on white mage for Stormblood.

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i really think just doing something about the Cure I/II proc limitation would be enough. I'll leave the raid meta balancing to others to let them figure out the perfect potency values for everyone, but the reliance on hard casted Cure I and Cure II's is so bizarre that it's going to drive people away from the job quick.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

I just wish half the new stuff didn't revolve around casting basic cure spells. They seem to be under the impression that all WHMs spam cure all the time which sure, if you're bad, but a good whm's rotation will use as few as possible and it's usually Cure 2 that's used.

Even if they just added Stone IV as a spell that could gain lillies it would go a long way to making it a bit better.

The Confession/Plenary mechanic will suffer from exactly the same problem btw.

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This makes sense. I posted previously due to my ignorance on this issue and said that I felt the Lily mechanic was fair. Confession being AoE but only on the target you build it on from healing seems weird...

Really unfortunate that we need dramatic threads like we've seen the past dozen days however watching WHM SB was basically watching a slow-motion train derail and crash.

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Originally Posted by javid

The only instances where a range would be left out of the 30 yalm AOE are when the boss's diameter is 12 yalms wide and the tank is max melee range of 1 yalm in front of the boss and the range is more than 17 yalms from the boss's hitbox, directly opposite the MT. And in most CURRENT scenarios (if such raid scenarios persist into the future) that Range was fixing to die anyways or use personal CDs. )

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Forget the range of the skill. It has no range cool. It has a range we'll just move. The important part of it is the stacks. No stacks = no heals. The stacks will also fall off if not refreshed. There isn't enough time to cast cure/cure2 on everyone to try and build stacks. It wastes MP and focused healing on people that do need it. So, when the time that comes to actually use the skill there will be maybe at most 4 people.

Now, ALL healing spells gave stacks that would be a game changer.

Throwing my voice into the crowd so SE might pay more attention. This was my initial reaction upon

Met> First
Met> Why is it RNG?
Met> Second, why is it based on spells a WHM wouldn't be using?
Met> Third, why is Stoneskin on a 60 second cooldown? And why does it cost our guage?
Met> Fourth, the confessional system
Met> Why is THAT rng too?
Met> Why does it get built up with single target casts, but spent on an AoE?
Met> When will I EVER cast Cure or Cure II on someone not the MT?

I didn't even think they were serious about removing SS because what reason did they have to do that? I just assumed people were overreacting and it just wasn't in the screenshot at the time.

They could bake in a buff into Confession. Give them a defense boost per stack. Have them get 'Tailwind' instead to increase speed.

Was going to main WHM going forward as I did since buying the game but now I'm really considering dropping it for AST, or even drop healing all together and just main RDM.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/c2cc839d...wrooo1_500.jpg

I am saddened.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I'm recalling a certain situation.

Oh yes. 3.0 astrologian. In before that repeats, but for white mage. Then again, I'm still rolling with Yoshida's "please trust me" on white mage for Stormblood.

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Yoshida had the same spiel with WAR back in 2.0 and it wasn't long before they were forced to change it since they were in fact completely detached from the reality of the situation.

This thread is totally unnecessary seeing as how there are already plenty of WHM tear threads. Beg for attention much?

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Originally Posted by Yallaid

i really think just doing something about the Cure I/II proc limitation would be enough. I'll leave the raid meta balancing to others to let them figure out the perfect potency values for everyone, but the reliance on hard casted Cure I and Cure II's is so bizarre that it's going to drive people away from the job quick.

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It depends on what the fights themselves will bring to the table and how able, or the more likely scenario, how willing, players will be to adapting.

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Originally Posted by Addicted

Yoshida had the same spiel with WAR back in 2.0 and it wasn't long before they were forced to change it since they were in fact completely detached from the reality of the situation.

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Dunno what was said then. Didn't care about meta or any of that back then. Too many people were still absolutely terrible at the game. The only thing I can recall back then was Yoshida saying players are playing warrior incorrectly and the sentiment sort of being echoed at the start of 3.0 when people were complaining the stuff was too hard and what they got back was "get good."

I'm just waiting and seeing before jumping on any bandwagons.

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Originally Posted by Xylas

Confession being AoE but only on the target you build it on from healing seems weird...

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I suspect the AoE aspect of it is to allow it to be an alternative of sorts to Synastry. FaustZ is a great example of where it'll shine with both tanks getting a good chunk of cure loving (and hopefully some saucy confessions to boot). In this sort of situation you're likely to be able to just hit it on cooldown either to play it safe whilst solo healing, or get a free GCD for a dot or stone in a less intensive setting.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

This thread is totally unnecessary seeing as how there are already plenty of WHM tear threads. Beg for attention much?

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More noise = more likely to be heard. Why so bitter?

AST is going to be a beast, I think I heard they also have 300% shields coming too. Should be better than scholars shields.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

More noise = more likely to be heard. Why so bitter?

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Lmao I'm bitter? That's classic. Check your own thread to see who is truly the bitter one.

Actually, the people that went to the little show this weekend...all said that Stoneskin and Stoneskin 2 are not in the toolkit any more.

it's not sure if they only gave them the partial toolkit...but it appears they're both going to go away for that 60sec single target shield for the lillies.

From what those that got the sneakpeek said...Stoneskin is completely going away and all native utility skills that the WHM had...are now going to be CC...that we have to use our slots...to get back...*stares*

*Raises hand and waves it* Teacher! something doesn't add up here!

It's clear to me now that the white mage is becoming a preferred dungeon and 24 man raid healer. Scholar and Astro are going to become the preferred raid healers. This allows Square Enix to balance everything much easier and not have to worry about three healers with only two slots.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Lmao I'm bitter? That's classic. Check your own thread to see who is truly the bitter one.

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Of course I'm bitter over my main class being destroyed. I'm not sure what your problem is, though.

I guess Yoshida was not joking when he said that White Mage would be a Pure Healer type of class.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I guess Yoshida was not joking when he said that White Mage would be a Pure Healer type of class.

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"Pure healer" insofar as procs allow us to be, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Of course I'm bitter over my main class being destroyed. I'm not sure what your problem is, though.

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You're cluttering the forums. Yeah, you're upset, but have some respect for your fellow players.

I don't understand why they took away stoneskin. At least then we'd still have MORE shielding ability rather than less with this upcoming patch. One that's clunky but always available(and unique now), and one that's fast but on a cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

Of course I'm bitter over my main class being destroyed. I'm not sure what your problem is, though.

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This thread is unnecessary and childish. That's my problem. If you want to be taken seriously maybe try not creating the 20th repeat thread this week and attempt to be funny by creating a cartoon.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

AST is going to be a beast, I think I heard they also have 300% shields coming too. Should be better than scholars shields.

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http://i.imgur.com/kaPuKhn.jpg

Also of note:
Cure potency of AB was increased
Both AST stances now increase potencies by 15%

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

You guys forgetting that Assize is now extremely OP now? It's big damage and big heal, instantly, with 10% MP to boot.

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AST's new skill (Earthly Star) is similar to assize and outclasses it completely. Assize has 300+300 potency and Earthly Star has 900 (!!!) + 200 potency, it just requires a bit of planning ahead for maximum efficiency. With this new skill AST will have an even easier time healing content plus the broken Balance. Honestly, anyone saying that WHM is fine must be trolling.

I'm not even going to talk about Lilies, they are garbage, there is a post on reddit explaining why cohesively. Well, I can adapt fast to other jobs, but it's sad that S.E. screwed one of the most iconic jobs. WHM will be even more shunned in SB, unless they change something before early acess, doubtful though.

Well despite a bit of sass they did they do have a point...there is already a thread in General Discussion about WHM (which you've posted in so you know it is there) so flooding with more topics on the exact same subject is just cluttering and unnecessary :/

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You're cluttering the forums. Yeah, you're upset, but have some respect for your fellow players.

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...with one thread? You're perfectly at liberty to ignore it, friend.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

salty

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Or, you know, the alternative - posting how and when I like about subjects relevant to me as a player. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

RNG does not belong on WHM?

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...Hasn't RNG been on WHM this entire time, though?