SP nerfed. We were lied to.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

For the hundredth time, the point I'm making is Yoshi lied. End of story. if you are pleased with the direction the game has taken why are you minding those of us with negative experiences.

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Because people like you poison the community and that is... whats the word.... BAD. You say the same things over and over because you have no way of verifying your data. Hey Kensei i just logged on and leveled in an hour same damn time frame as pre-patch. You have posted page after page of nothing but I'm more right because i say so. If you wanted to give constructive feed back this thread would have ended at page 11, but rather you are trolling these forums objecting any new ideas or "facts" that are brought to you.

leave please for the love of god leave, if SP gain is so gimped like you say you must be a masochist...

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

No it wasn't.

Do more than just behests and leves.

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You again? I already explained this to you. Next time go back a few page and actually read. I have explained it countless times. The massive nerf of behest and the reduction of SP per kill means the amount of SP/hour gains of 1.17c can no longer be achieved. As such ranking up was nerfed after Yoshi said it wouldn't.

Is Kensei still crying? god go to sler=ep man

no one cares if you cant do behest as much as you used to, it wasnt the best sp anyway

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Originally Posted by Kensei

You again? I already explained this to you. Next time go back a few page and actually read. I have explained it countless times. The massive nerf of behest and the reduction of SP per kill means the amount of SP/hour gains of 1.17c can no longer be achieved. As such ranking up was nerfed after Yoshi said it wouldn't.

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You get more XP/SP from mob grinding now + there's more mobs to grind + beast encampments give good SP + there's quests/sidequests that give 300-2000 SP (at R20) + dungeons.

QQ I can't rank up solely from leves and behests =/= I can't rank up as quickly anymore.

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Originally Posted by Bled

Because people like you poison the community and that is... whats the word.... BAD. You say the same things over and over because you have no way of verifying your data. Hey Kensei i just logged on and leveled in an hour same damn time frame as pre-patch... you have posted page after page of nothing but I'm more right because i say so. If you wanted to give constructive feed back this thread would have ended at page 11, but rather you are trolling these forums objecting any new ideas or "facts" that are brought to you.

leave please for the love of god leave, if SP gain is so gimped like you say you must be a masochist...

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I poison the community because I pointed out that the producer of the game did something he specifically said he wouldn't. Great reasoning you have there.

You know why this thread didn't die at page one? Because people who claim the game is great now and are very happy with the changes of 1.18 keep posting again and again. Why is that? If I am so wrong why do they keep trolling this thread nonstop instead of going online and enjoying the game. If people who didn't agree just ignore the thread it would have either died or would be much smaller because it would have been a discussion of those suffering the same situation and sharing their experiences.

I keep repeating myself because they keep bringing up the same argument over and over that I have already answered them many times.

I have not once trolled. All I have done is reply to those posters who can't handle somebody disagreeing with them. Some of you think the SP/hour is the same or better and I am wrong? Cool! Then why won't you stop posting here?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Is Kensei still crying? god go to sler=ep man

no one cares if you cant do behest as much as you used to, it wasnt the best sp anyway

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Then why are you here if you don't agree with me and I am wrong? What was the point of you posting? You say no one cares yet you guys keep posting here. Go to play? Aren't you one those pleased with 1.18?

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

You get more XP/SP from mob grinding now + there's more mobs to grind + beast encampments give good SP + there's quests/sidequests that give 300-2000 SP (at R20) + dungeons.

QQ I can't rank up solely from leves and behests =/= I can't rank up as quickly anymore.

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If in your experience you are getting more SP that is great. Then why are you posting here? Why do you care what I think if according to you I am wrong? Don't waste your time here if I'm just QQ.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Then why are you here if you don't agree with me and I am wrong? What was the point of you posting? You say no one cares yet you guys keep posting here. Go to play? Aren't you one those pleased with 1.18?

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the same reason your here arguing with everyone else in the game, alone, by yourself, cuz no one agrees with you
because i can

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Originally Posted by Kensei

The last sentence of your statement is correct. However, I did also say what Luxlex is saying. There are many ways to get SP no doubt about that, I have already acknowledged, it but none can reach the amount of SP/hour that Behest provided pre-patch. That is all this thread is trying to get across.

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dun dun dun for all you people thinking that this had nothing to do with behest... He is using behest as his baseline SP/hr so it is an arguement over behest sp/hr not of sp/hr overall by the OP...

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Originally Posted by Kensei

If in your experience you are getting more SP that is great. Then why are you posting here? Why do you care what I think if according to you I am wrong? Don't waste your time here if I'm just QQ.

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I'm just grinding posts in my spare time man, don't be so hateful.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I poison the community because I pointed out that the producer of the game did something he specifically said he wouldn't. Great reasoning you have there.

You know why this thread didn't die at page one? Because people who claim the game is great now and are very happy with the changes of 1.18 keep posting again and again. Why is that? If I am so wrong why do they keep trolling this thread nonstop instead of going online and enjoying the game. If people who didn't agree just ignore the thread it would have either died or would be much smaller because it would have been a discussion of those suffering the same situation and sharing their experiences.

I keep repeating myself because they keep bringing up the same argument over and over that I have already answered them many times.

I have not once trolled. All I have done is reply to those posters who can't handle somebody disagreeing with them. Some of you think the SP/hour is the same or better and I am wrong? Cool! Then why won't you stop posting here?

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I have continued to dip in because *see my first sentence* you are poisoning the community and have given and don't intend to give anything constructive. The fact that you think that Yoshi lied to you is cute and debatable which is not even relevant in the grand scheme of things.

Trust me if i could play the game right now i would not be sitting on these forums watching you cry. Let me lay this out for you if Yoshi lied to you and you are so detested by someone lying why don't you leave?!?!?

IMO Yoshi did not lie at all and you are being a drama queen looking for attention, even if Yoshi "lied" welcome to the real world where the people actually developing get the final say in the product.. get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by Raze

Then prove it with empirical evidence, as many people who have made a counterpoint to yours have done. You going out and getting crappy SP isn't proof of anything but that you wasted 60+ pages of forum posts with QQing.

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I have extensively explained it, I will no longer repeat myself. If you have made it to this page you must have read my explanations a hundred times.

If you consider that I am QQing then stop wasting your time and don't post here. Go play the game with the patch you like so much.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

the same reason your here arguing with everyone else in the game, alone, by yourself, cuz no one agrees with you
because i can

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I'm here because I made the thread. Many have already agreed with me you can see their posts and their likes in the OP. And yes, you can waste your time trolling if you wish.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I'm here because I made the thread. Many have already agreed with me you can see their posts and their likes in the OP. And yes, you can waste your time trolling if you wish.

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Over 15k views and 600 posts, but less than 100 likes.

So agreeable.

EDIT: This thread has half as many views and only about 35 posts and almost the same amount of likes.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I poison the community because I pointed out that the producer of the game did something he specifically said he wouldn't. Great reasoning you have there.

You know why this thread didn't die at page one? Because people who claim the game is great now and are very happy with the changes of 1.18 keep posting again and again. Why is that? If I am so wrong why do they keep trolling this thread nonstop instead of going online and enjoying the game. If people who didn't agree just ignore the thread it would have either died or would be much smaller because it would have been a discussion of those suffering the same situation and sharing their experiences.

I keep repeating myself because they keep bringing up the same argument over and over that I have already answered them many times.

I have not once trolled. All I have done is reply to those posters who can't handle somebody disagreeing with them. Some of you think the SP/hour is the same or better and I am wrong? Cool! Then why won't you stop posting here?

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with the same over and over and over blatent wrong answer... self righteous answer of my behest is right and your sp/hr ratings are wrong! so of course the same thing will be said over and over again because you keep saying the same arguement over and over again

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Originally Posted by Kensei

If in your experience you are getting more SP that is great. Then why are you posting here? Why do you care what I think if according to you I am wrong? Don't waste your time here if I'm just QQ.

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because we are trying to help you... but you wont accept the help... you just want to keep stating that you lost your behest leveling mode... we want to help you do other things experience the game have fun.. but all you keep doing is doting on the fact that your behest sp was killed

Behest was not even good sp pre patch 1.18 unless you were in that perfect level range for the behest. Getting 3-5k every 30 mins wasn't that important when there were leves you could fail and reget that have 10-13k sp, and thats just with 3 links. Like behest just got really insignificant after a point.

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Originally Posted by Bled

I have continued to dip in because *see my first sentence* you are poisoning the community and have given and don't intend to give anything constructive. The fact that you think that Yoshi lied to you is cute and debatable which is not even relevant in the grand scheme of things.

Trust me if i could play the game right now i would not be sitting on these forums watching you cry. Let me lay this out for you if Yoshi lied to you and you are so detested by someone lying why don't you leave?!?!?

IMO Yoshi did not lie at all and you are being a drama queen looking for attention, even if Yoshi "lied" welcome to the real world where the people actually developing get the final say in the product.. get over yourself.

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With the OP I was expressing my displeasure with the game not reflecting what the producer said in the letter. It was my wish to share that with the community to see if others felt the same. Turns out many do.

As always some people don't agree but then there is some people that can't be satisfied with not agreeing they must make everyone else think like them. That is the problem. It will not happen. Me and many others have seen our SP progression slow down to a crawl.

You guys can tell me any way you like that you are doing just as good or better now. It doesn't change the fact that when I play that is not the case for me. And that is fine, we don't have to agree. What is there to gain for you and others to try and ridicule me or prove me wrong for having a bad experience post-patch with the game? And again I am not alone in this.

I am not detested by Yoshi lying. It bothered me to be deceived by someone who has otherwise done a fantastic job considering the circumstances in which he inherited the game. It may not have been intentional, maybe their data reflected something different, but the result is that SP/hour has been reduced in mine and other players experiences.

Why would I be looking for attention? Is it my fault that there are people who disagree with me won't rest until the world agrees with them? I'm not getting paid for this, I'm not getting fame, I expressed my displeasure with something. Is that a crime? I can only post positive things?

I'm lost as to why you would consider someone having a bad experience and sharing it poison but there's nothing I can do about that.

84 people of 16k views.

SO MANY.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

with the same over and over and over blatent wrong answer... self righteous answer of my behest is right and your sp/hr ratings are wrong! so of course the same thing will be said over and over again because you keep saying the same arguement over and over again

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In mine and many others experience SP/hour gains are slower post patch. You are of those who say it is the same or faster. We don't agree and that's ok. Why do you feel the need to make others agree with you?

This thread has half as many views with 1/5th the amount of posts and twice as many likes.

Clearly your viewpoint is popular.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

With the OP I was expressing my displeasure with the game not reflecting what the producer said in the letter. It was my wish to share that with the community to see if others felt the same. Turns out many do.

As always some people don't agree but then there is some people that can't be satisfied with not agreeing they must make everyone else think like them. That is the problem. It will not happen. Me and many others have seen our SP progression slow down to a crawl.

You guys can tell me any way you like that you are doing just as good or better now. It doesn't change the fact that when I play that is not the case for me. And that is fine, we don't have to agree. What is there to gain for you and others to try and ridicule me or prove me wrong for having a bad experience post-patch with the game? And again I am not alone in this.

I am not detested by Yoshi lying. It bothered me to be deceived by someone who has otherwise done a fantastic job considering the circumstances in which he inherited the game. It may not have been intentional, maybe their data reflected something different, but the result is that SP/hour has been reduced in mine and other players experiences.

Why would I be looking for attention? Is it my fault that there are people who disagree with me won't rest until the world agrees with them? I'm not getting paid for this, I'm not getting fame, I expressed my displeasure with something. Is that a crime? I can only post positive things?

I'm lost as to why you would consider someone having a bad experience and sharing it poison but there's nothing I can do about that.

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Is it an opinion if your just blindly and inescapably wrong?

person 1- I think the world is flat!!!!
person 2- here is the proof saying its not
person 1- I still think the world is flat because i said so and 3 people agree with me!!!

That's just ignorance...

30% of posts are you, 68% of posts are people counter arguing you, 2% jumped in and threw in their two cents that agreed with you; so im not understanding your argument of "It was my wish to share that with the community to see if others felt the same. Turns out many do".
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Originally Posted by Kensei

In mine and many others experience SP/hour gains are slower post patch. You are of those who say it is the same or faster. We don't agree and that's ok. Why do you feel the need to make others agree with you?

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why do YOU feel the need to make other's agree with YOU? this is all I am seeing I have only posted on people's flaws in their arguement. I could care less about what the Sp/hr is lol as long as I have fun... I could be getting 1sp/kill but as long as I have fun seeing the world getting the story and have people to interact with (which is the point of an MMO) I will be fine

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

because we are trying to help you... but you wont accept the help... you just want to keep stating that you lost your behest leveling mode... we want to help you do other things experience the game have fun.. but all you keep doing is doting on the fact that your behest sp was killed

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I don't care about behest I care about SP/hour. If leves gave as much sp/h as behest did I would do leves, if it was grinding mobs I would grind mobs, if it was questing I would do quests. Sadly none of those give the same gains post-patch. So it will take painfully long sessions of playtime to see any meaningful progression.

I can't stop reading this thread. lol.

I don't think Yoshi-P meant to deceive. But it's obvious there's a problem. Anyway he's going to save face and no do a damn thing most likely. Can't blame him. But I hope he learns and puts up a test server before the next patch. To avoid 6+ pages of negative threads.

hmmm still arguing from the stance of behest... I had to grind out my level's in leve's and I hated it it was monotonous boring and over done. I hated it because it was more of a rush to get it done. While my experience in Party's such as grinding types were fun... because I got to bs with people meet new people and have fun! I completely didnt notice the inane grind that occured because I had people to interact with during it, the jokes we made and the mistakes we made and joked about made the experience hell of fun. People doing behest and leve's don't talk to each other don't do jack squat except to grind out the quest so they could move on and do something else or get off and live life... I only did behest every once in awhile to fill in time gaps. I had more time telling people to stick as a group and being stressed out by it than enjoying it because NO ONE wants to work together... I blame this on the NEW MMO mindset of this generation... where it is constant must get the next best gear or max level and ignore anything and everyone else... There is no community in that...

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Originally Posted by Bled

Is it an opinion if your just blindly and inescapably wrong?

person 1- I think the world is flat!!!!
person 2- here is the proof saying its not
person 1- I still think the world is flat because i said so and 3 people agree with me!!!

That's just ignorance...

30% of posts are you, 68% of posts are people counter arguing you, 2% jumped in and threw in their two cents that agreed with you; so im not understanding your argument of "It was my wish to share that with the community to see if others felt the same. Turns out many do".
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It is not an opinion, it is a fact that I'm getting nowhere near the same amount of SP/hour I was getting before the patch. What don't you understand about that?

I didn't read much of the thread so idk if this was posted, but, DO YOUR MAIN STORYLINE QUESTS XD! I got 39k sp from the rank 42 quest, Of Men They Sing. I wish I had waited to do the earlier ones, I probably missed out on 100k sp ; ;!

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

why do YOU feel the need to make other's agree with YOU? this is all I am seeing I have only posted on people's flaws in their arguement. I could care less about what the Sp/hr is lol as long as I have fun... I could be getting 1sp/kill but as long as I have fun seeing the world getting the story and have people to interact with (which is the point of an MMO) I will be fine

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I don't care at all that people agree with me. You are the one who complains that I use the same argument. So what? if you don't care that I agree why mention bring that up? My argument is a real issue to me in the game and to you it is not. That's all.

It's fine that you don't care about progression speed. Different people have different play styles.

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Originally Posted by Pebe

I didn't read much of the thread so idk if this was posted, but, DO YOUR MAIN STORYLINE QUESTS XD! I got 39k sp from the rank 42 quest, Of Men They Sing. I wish I had waited to do the earlier ones, I probably missed out on 100k sp ; ;!

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If only those weren't limited right?

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Originally Posted by Kensei

It is not an opinion, it is a fact that I'm getting nowhere near the same amount of SP/hour I was getting before the patch. What don't you understand about that?

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you are getting less SP that's a fact, but sitting in the forums (pry afk in Uldah) bitch*** is not a relevant form of SP/hour thus making your claims invalid. I have great certainty in saying this: Many people have told you too look for new avenues for SP/hour you just will not, which is why you are getting less SP/hour.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I can't stop reading this thread. lol.

I don't think Yoshi-P meant to deceive. But it's obvious there's a problem. Anyway he's going to save face and no do a damn thing most likely. Can't blame him. But I hope he learns and puts up a test server before the next patch. To avoid 6+ pages of negative threads.

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Hey you just derped. There aren't 6 pages of recent negative threads. I would say 2/3rds of the threads are positive which is a trend reversal.

This threads alive for a reason, whether people like it or not. I find it funny how most of the negative responses to OP reminds me of: this

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Originally Posted by Bled

you are getting less SP that's a fact, but sitting in the forums bitch*** is not a relevant form of SP/hour thus making your claims invalid. I have great certainty in saying this: Many people have told you too look for new avenues for SP/hour you just will not, which is why you are getting less SP/hour.

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The only time I provided any fresh info was in the OP. Ever since then I've only had to repeat the same point in different over and over to people who failed to understand it in the OP. So I don't see how I am just sitting in the forums complaining when all I have done is share the same experience.

When have I said that I don't know how to get SP? In fact in the OP I explain my experience with every way of SP gain. I replied to yourself a few pages back that I knew how to get SP and that was not an issue to me. It's just that now it takes me 3 times the time to get the same SP I used to.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

The only time I provided any fresh info was in the OP. Ever since then I've only had to repeat the same point in different over and over to people who failed to understand it in the OP. So I don't see how I am just sitting in the forums complaining when all I have done is share the same experience.

When have I said that I don't know how to get SP? In fact in the OP I explain my experience with every way of SP gain. I replied to yourself a few pages back that I knew how to get SP and that was not an issue to me. It's just that now it takes me 3 times the time to get the same SP I used to.

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and now it just boils down to exaggeration, if you knew how to gain SP you would not be in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Bled

and now it just boils down to exaggeration, if you knew how to gain SP you would not be in this thread.

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I can get SP a number of ways. But like I said they are very slow and worst of all very boring.

Well i feel for you man, the fact that you cant rank and cant maximize SP/hour is sad *shrug* ill leave you be, and i only part in saying good luck to you.

I def. won't be looking into leves for my SP future, I'll have to take a few LS members out to check out new beast/mob camps. Raptors were good for example pre-patch, but it's going to take a lot more adjustments to the current battle system before anyone can get comfortable with their jobs again.

Kind of like walking with shoes on the wrong feet right now.

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Originally Posted by Bled

Well i feel for you man, the fact that you cant rank and cant maximize SP/hour is sad *shrug* ill leave you be, and i only part in saying good luck to you.

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Thanks, good luck to you too man.

I feel like people keep bumping this thread to get a developer response XD