Normal editor tools. When?

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Are you really responding to a message from two months ago just to have someone to argue with? Yikes.

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Yup.

Does your post become irrelevant a few months after you post it?

Is your post here just to be consumed and discarded, or do you stand by it?

You arguing the date not the subject.

The mention about how much time past since the thread even started makes me wish time would stop zooming by, but on the bright side it means the new expansion gets ever closer. I am so ready to be free from dawntrail.


Also means we inch closer to another housing update. Given the glacial pace se do updates for housing in this game. Looking forward to housing mirage turning my mist beach front cottage to a beach front mansion.

Still not holding my breathe on expanded placement options for things, much as I'd like it.

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Originally Posted by Moon_Rabbit

Warning, a troll and/or an ignoramus is active in this thread; please do not feed it too much.
Quotes list (this points were copy-pasted almost without changes and spammed 100 times in this thread, to proof posts: 152-155, last changes 07.01.26)

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Ladies and Gentle the very proof of my claim of the community attempting to use social outcasting as a weapon to silence dissent. You're simply sharpening my reason and tempering it further.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

So I have no issue calling the community hypocritical and thematically dishonest while also so being socially authoritarian, while trying to pose it as social progressivism.. this community is no better than world of warcrafts community , it's toxicity is just hidden under a veneer of passive , aggressive language.and social policing via forced social conformity or outcasting.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Ladies and Gentle the very proof of my claim of the community attempting to use social outcasting as a weapon to silence dissent. You're simply sharpening my reason and tempering it further.

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Gonna cry, "messenger of truth"? Im 0.0001%-0.0003% of this community, and the fact that you shifted the blame from me to everyone - confirms my suspicions about vacuum in your head.

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Originally Posted by Moon_Rabbit

Gonna cry, "messenger of truth"? Im 0.0001%-0.0003% of this community, and the fact that you shifted the blame from me to everyone - confirms my suspicions about vacuum in your head.

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If they get hit in the crossfire. Then it's hitting exactly who it was intended for. And still very much stand by my perspective. And anyone who agrees with you is effectively arguing the same lines as of logic as pro Ai tools as art itself. Your logic is the same DNA in the Ai pipeline.

If the vision is all that matters. Then why argue against improving the tool that remove all the friction and labor? Who's gonna argue against better tools. Right...?

This isn't just about the Z axis.

The z axis is a springboard to the conversation, automation vs the proccess.

I'm just usin this is actually the same line of logic that's pro ai, an given that square wants to use AI for its games, but the players are against AI.But also carry pro ai sentiments. Such as yours. It's all about the end result right? The process is a waste of time as you said...

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Originally Posted by Moon_Rabbit

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It seems to me that the majority still wants what is called art, not the Sisyphean labor and a "sweat tax" and thats why we'll never find common ground with you

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So you want square to do it the manual hard way , and not use aI because it lacks soul for the very reasons you call it sisyphcian, labor and a sweat tax? You hold a contradictory view. You're pro artist whils being pro automation. The juiciest type of contradiction

Here we go again with the same old talk about AI and automation...
Do you know the difference between you and AI? AI can learn from its own mistakes and acknowledge them. That puts it a step above you.
You, on the other hand, are like a caveman—shouting the loudest in this thread, wanting to be heard, yet unwilling to listen other.

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Originally Posted by Bubert

I don’t understand the mindset “If I suffer then you must too”.

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it's missing the second part: "i suffered more so i am better than all of you who didn't suffer as much"

i don't agree with that, but that's the silent part

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Fish for a man, he eats that day, teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

i've taught all my friends to float furniture ---
some of them more than once (because they forgot how).
i'm the one they call for help when "it fell down again! can't you just do it?".

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Z axis would be just turning hard work into smart work. Creativity is not going to disappear, just a bit of suffering.

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

it's missing the second part: "i suffered more so i am better than all of you who didn't suffer as much"

i don't agree with that, but that's the silent part

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Z axis would be just turning hard work into smart work. Creativity is not going to disappear, just a bit of suffering.

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So is art the process or the outcome?

Sorry I will die on this hill lol

The entire creative process would be annihilated. Its just A to B. The system wont ever tell you no. So their no alternate paths, there's no reason to creatively problem solve. Because you've removed the need to creatively problem solve.

Nobody likes being told no, but being told no periodically is the catalyst to kick creativity into overdrive to turn that no into a yes by force.

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Originally Posted by Moon_Rabbit

Here we go again with the same old talk about AI and automation...
Do you know the difference between you and AI? AI can learn from its own mistakes and acknowledge them. That puts it a step above you.
You, on the other hand, are like a caveman—shouting the loudest in this thread, wanting to be heard, yet unwilling to listen other.

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Im listening to you try to call grit, the commitment to the vision, and the struggle all a waste of time. You are posturing like you care about the Art/Artist, but you only care about the outcome. Like I said its your perspective to have an you're entitled to have it but I deeply disagree with it on a creative level.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNRnyLOX...jpg&name=large
The path to the vision is hard, but the willingness to fight through the friction to see it through is where the soul is

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Im listening to you try to call grit, the commitment to the vision, and the struggle all a waste of time. You are posturing like you care about the Art/Artist, but you only care about the outcome. Like I said its your perspective to have an you're entitled to have it but I deeply disagree with it on a creative level.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNRnyLOX...jpg&name=large
The path to the vision is hard, but the willingness to fight through the friction to see it through is where the soul is

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I thought I said it at the very beginning — you are an individualist. IF you care only about the process, its your only way.
Most people here want advanced tools for self-expression; it is our way of having a dialogue with the world and other creators like us. Through the result.
Keep your 'sweat tax', your 'limits', your 'entities that tell you no', and your 'muscle friction' as your personal sacred instrument.
Creativity is multifaceted, and everyone has their own path.

With the release of the improved editor, we'll get what we wanted, and you can limit yourself, and don't complain about others being able to do things faster. Stop being such a hecking egotist.