Has the WoW crowd taken over now?

The 4k dps has been proven to be a reportable offense if you see it in the listing or in a chat.

I have not seen this toxicity.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

You're on an EU data center and europeans have always seemed far less casual and more interested in DPS and optimization than NA.

There has always been "instakick and X fails = kick" parties since the game began. It's not new. There has always been people frustrated that enrage-prog parties have not cleared for days. Just don't join them if you don't like it.

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At the same time the duty finder groups are even worse than NA.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Like ... it's fine if you want to decide how much time you want to spend or what level of play you want to commit to. But I seriously wish people stop making comment like this ... Don't you understand it's exactly because of comment like this that often time your argument do not deserve much empathy.

Job is something most people have, it has no bearing on how good you can be. Bring up "oh I have a job" or "I have a life" does nothing to make a point. In fact, the only point it would project is you're someone who don't know how to manage your time. I know many people who can afford to barely play a few hours a day and would still blow away the majority of players who no-lifeing on PF all days long.

Again, really, it's perfectly ok to say this is how you want to take your game and this is the level of play you're happy with, you don't need to come up with an excuse for it. Especially one that looks down on others.

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1. It was a joke about the over seriousness of the EU datacenters, you failed the litmus test. It's been a long standing joke and one that is very much based in reality that the EU datacenters take everything too serious, which they do.

2. "I know people that would blow away no lifers all day long", classic Euro arrogance about their self perceived greatness, the whole our PUGs are better than your Statics attitude at play, your best team finished third, against a team that constantly memes. "Calm down Greg it's just Soccer" comes to mind.

I've played on the datacenter, I know full well how over the top, shouty and over serious European datacenter groups get, I know they have no chill..

And honestly? That's half the datacenters problem, it's what holds it back.

They need to calm down and just enjoy themselves once in a while. Videogame is meant to be fun, not a job.

Getting why I said that yet?

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Getting why I said that yet?

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Yeah, and that is you're projecting ... a lot.

1 - That's not an EU or NA or even JP things, you see these kind of things everywhere, all the times. If you think it's an EU only thing, you think wrong. Guess what, if people didn't point out it's an EU thing I wouldn't know. 'Cause I see the same thing every day on NA.

2 - New flash, I'm not European, I'm not even American. Also, the "my server has better pug" hasn't been a thing since cross-server PF became a thing. Feel like you're pulling an ancient meme trying to deflect your earlier point. I see you even modified what I said as quote to mis-direct its meaning.

These are universal symptol and issues on every data center and server. Anyone trying to segregate it using job status, location or player base just has a very narrowed and local view.

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

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the irony of talking about "classic Euro arrogance about their self perceived greatness" while painting all of the european datacenters as a collective of whiny manchildren (thereby implying that the north american datacenter is without these problems and totally superior) is a sight to behold.

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Originally Posted by Derio

The 4k dps has been proven to be a reportable offense if you see it in the listing or in a chat.

I have not seen this toxicity.

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Unfortunately it is indeed reportable. I'm glad you haven't seen someone toxic enough to report it yet (I know what you meant).

For the brave souls leading their way through party finder in this toxic casualism infested game, do not admit you are using a parser, because regardless of how justified you are, it is against the rules. Just say you will judge people's performance or something similar, or just don't say anything at all, then kick them without a word if they are part of the 90% that abuse this toxic casualism and join party finder groups to get hard carried.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

the irony of talking about "classic Euro arrogance about their self perceived greatness" while painting all of the european datacenters as a collective of whiny manchildren (thereby implying that the north american datacenter is without these problems and totally superior) is a sight to behold.

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Did I say all? Did I say the word All European Datacenters? Did I say all players?

Nope. I did not, you did.

It's a majority perception, majority = mostly.

There will always be players that don't fit that stereotype, that won't bow to peer pressure and won't let those around them shape their attitude, I salute those players

I'm not talking the "you don't pay my sub" types either, they're casual toxic and every bit as bad as the over the top "we wiped at 0.1% enrange, Disband!" Types any given day of the week.

Aether has it's fair share of both, but it's not the majority. On Europe unless things have drastically changed over there (and given the amount of nasty comments slung at TPS on Twitch and Twitter I'm seriously doubting it) it appears to be a majority.

Majority = Mostly

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Originally Posted by JanVanding

Did I say all? Did I say the word All European Datacenters? Did I say all players?

Nope. I did not, you did.

It's a majority perception, majority = mostly.

There will always be players that don't fit that stereotype, that won't bow to peer pressure and won't let those around them shape their attitude, I salute those players

I'm not talking the "you don't pay my sub" types either, they're casual toxic and every bit as bad as the over the top "we wiped at 0.1% enrange, Disband!" Types any given day of the week.

Aether has it's fair share of both, but it's not the majority. On Europe unless things have drastically changed over there (and given the amount of nasty comments slung at TPS on Twitch and Twitter I'm seriously doubting it) it appears to be a majority.

Majority = Mostly

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The moment when you think that Twitch and Twitter are an representation of a sever, good joke!

Unless you play on EU, do PF groups on EU, do instances on EU, dont talk about things you literally dont know a shit about. Thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Escalon

The moment when you think that Twitch and Twitter are an representation of a sever, good joke!

Unless you play on EU, do PF groups on EU, do instances on EU, dont talk about things you literally dont know a shit about. Thank you very much.

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Sadly, after 20 years of conditioning by social media, many people now just assume "loudest = majority". That's why real life politic and policy making has been so shit lately.

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Originally Posted by Escalon

The moment when you think that Twitch and Twitter are an representation of a sever, good joke!

Unless you play on EU, do PF groups on EU, do instances on EU, dont talk about things you literally dont know a shit about. Thank you very much.

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I did for quite some time thanks, all too aware of how over serious they can be and it's not just a problem exclusive to FFXIV.

They were like it on WoW, I played on Dragonblight back in TBC and screaming raid shot caller was extremely commonplace.

They were like it in SWTOR, if you played a class that wasn't meta, you were ordered to change to a class that was or you were not on the raid.

They were like it in DaoC, except a far worse version of it, "Mid Zerg here, switch to your Mid toons" so it was pointless trying to actually play the game properly because it was more effective to just switch to the death ball and PvE.

It's been a prevalent attitude for a very long time, so as I said, unless something drastically changed which I'm seeing no evidence of, the majority still play the game like it's a second job.