Strength Tanks

The day I consistently DF into parties where both DDs combined aren't doing less damage than I am, is the day I'll put away my STR accessories.

STR or VIT let the player decide, Don't burn away people for using full vit, same goes for full str.
And if i go full STR and i see i deal more DMG (as a PLD no less) than my random DPS in my party, i would say... Yes. it does make a difference.

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Originally Posted by AI_wass

The day I consistently DF into parties where both DDs combined aren't doing less damage than I am, is the day I'll put away my STR accessories.

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I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

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I don't know, I ran a brayflox hm yesterday where the tank checked to make sure a big pull was okay since we had a blm (me) and a bard. I was doing 74% of the DPS (no foes being played, despite my request) the bard didn't use a single aoe and we wiped on the pull. Some people just don't know the basics of their job.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

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When you see bad DPS players doing 500 DPS or less (which is lower than what good DPS did at 50) in expert roulettes, which happens pretty often, you understand that doing over 1000 DPS as a tank really makes the difference. I'm not even exaggerating the numbers.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

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I once had a run where as the healer I did 51% of the DMG. Most of the rest was done by the tank.
The MNK we had only used auto-attack and rarely a skill (because he said that's what he is used to from other MMOs) and the BLM only used Fire I/Lightning I and Transpose. In a lvl 60 dungeon.
So yeah, I can totally understand tanks who don't want to leave it to the random dps they meet in df to actually deal dmg :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I once had a run where as the healer I did 51% of the DMG. Most of the rest was done by the tank.
The MNK we had only used auto-attack and rarely a skill (because he said that's what he is used to from other MMOs) and the BLM only used Fire I/Lightning I and Transpose. In a lvl 60 dungeon.
So yeah, I can totally understand tanks who don't want to leave it to the random dps they meet in df to actually deal dmg :rolleyes:

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Sadly, I find this isn't an entirely uncommon scenario.

Even more sadly, these kinds of DPS exist in the tank and healer roles also, and lobby feverishly against tank and healer DPS, trying to box their classes into minimal responsibilities.
Could you even imagine how painstakingly long that run would have been if cleric's stance and reasonable tank damage didn't exist? I shudder at the thought.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

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I did an Alex NM run where the top DPS was our MT Dark Knight by a margin of about 300 more DPS than the top damage dealer (I was on WHM and doing 5th most DPS).

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

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I don't have a video but I could probably dig up some parses if I went looking.

It's sad how many DPS can't even DPS.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I don't have a video but I could probably dig up some parses if I went looking.

It's sad how many DPS can't even DPS.

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Hm. I wonder if there's a correlation here.

DPS, as of Heavensward, have all increased in complexity from 50-60. They tend to involve a lot of work in order to achieve maximum output. Following this, it would make sense that "bad DPS" are more common now than they were in ARR.

But what about Tanks? By and large their rotations for maximizing damage are all much simpler than a dedicated DPS, although Dark Knight is certainly the closest to that sort of level.

I wonder if there are any DPS out there who switched to a Tank job after not being able to cut it as a DPS, contenting themselves with being able to slap Slaying on and output a cool 1000-1100 DPS with a fraction of the effort it would have taken their previous class to reach 1400-1500?

It's pretty morbid if you think about it, isn't it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯