Astro in savage

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Also no, Yoshida never said that in regards to Savage progression.
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Actually, he never stated a difficulty when he said that.

He mentioned that groups use healer DPS to push content when undergeared.

I'm betting that Savage A1 is designed for solid 190 gear across the board. *That* is the point in which you won't need healer DPS for it.

Each floor is also likely to have a higher gear level it's aimed for.

If you guys were at the gear level the content was designed for, you wouldn't need the healers' DPS.

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Originally Posted by Zilara

You made your own point. Astro has less cooldowns than a 2.0 WHM or SCH right now, at 60, when SCH/WHM both gained a number of free abilities they drastically boost their healing output. Too much of their toolkit is tied up in cards for it to have access to the kind of abilities it needs for progression.

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The thing is if they changed CU to a non channel move you could place on the field that would be enough to make AST better.

At this point we are no longer on topic which is talking about people progressing in AS as an AST.

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Originally Posted by Kaizersan

Like even simple non potency buffs would help AST like Aspect Helios having the range as medica 2 and being able to place CU without having to channel it would greatly increase AST overall healing power.

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I think the stances is the reason aspect helios isn't that big- because then we would have a 20y succor in noct. I still think it's strange medica2 has a 20y radius and every other aoe heal I can see has a 15, even regular medica. Also CU is tinier than SS/Asylum...why?! Asylum is smaller than SS but CU is smaller than both AND you are stuck still. CU I think had a lot of potential but the current iteration is truly head scratching :/

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Originally Posted by Alahra

I think you're construing things that were never intended from their posts, though. Most people have. All that was meant was that they don't design encounters expecting healers to DPS, which implies strongly that they design content assuming they are healers primarily, and *not* DPS. That doesn't mean healers are not *supposed* to DPS, only that the development team doesn't assume they do or expect them to.

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I think you quoted the wrong person? That's pretty much what I just indicated with my response to the bit about healers supposedly not being designed for things other than healing.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

I think you quoted the wrong person? That's pretty much what I just indicated with my response to the bit about healers supposedly not being designed for things other than healing.

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No, I meant to respond to you. The person you're going back and forth with never said anything different from you really. They weren't trying to say healers *shouldn't* DPS--only that they aren't expected to. Their wording was a bit unclear (perhaps from EAS), but they weren't saying what it seems you think they were saying.

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Originally Posted by Kaizersan

also WHM and SCH have had a years worth of refinement behind them to get where they are now

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Oh, okay. I thought we disagreed on AST needing buffs.

Carry on, then.

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Trying to mispread information yourself? Thematically it is impossible for Astrologian to be so far behind white mage and scholar that they struggle since astro is only 20 potency behind white mage. That negates to barely 100 hps lost along with the strongest (on 40 second cooldown) instant cast heal int he game with upwards of 1k potency if you learn to time it properly along with light speed which i clocked an astro burst healing for about 2k single target I am not not sure you are just trying to make a mountain out of a ant hill.

Astro is not as simple as scholar or white mage. It takes thought and coordination to maximize your card use but to claim they are not in a good situation is worse then spreading misinformation. It is borderline lying. If astro could not handle Savage then we would have issues but we so far have too little data to back your claim but actual proof that astro's are healing savage mode. Wait and see instead of yelling the sky is falling please.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

If you guys were at the gear level the content was designed for, you wouldn't need the healers' DPS.

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Thing is, it's not really a question of whether healer DPS is NEEDED or not so much as whether or not healers will be capable of supplying it.

I DPS when:
-I have ample mana
-I don't need to be topping the group off
-I know that I can drop cleric stance and get some big heals out there quickly at the drop of a hat if need be (Lustrate...)

As groups get better geared, healers are only going to DPS more, and they're only going to end encounters even more quickly as a result.

In relating this to the condition of the AST (since some folks had mentioned it), it's silly to say that AST will somehow be better off at a higher gear level. I mean, I'm sure it will be, but so will the other healers, who will be healing these encounters with very little effort, probably spending over half of their time DPSing just to get rid of all of that useless mana cluttering up their MP bars.

Bottom line, if the AST isn't competitive with the other healers at 170, it's not going to be competitive at 200, either.

Downed Savage A1 today with the AST/SCH combo. MP was tight, but with very little healer dps overall, we managed to clear it slightly before the enrage. It took five lockouts to get used to it, and we all agreed that it would be easier with a WHM, but it looks like it can definitely be done with very low healer support.

Went into Savage again (but filling in with another group and was requested to go on WHM :(--I had no ISP problems this time! Bless everyone xD), I can definitely see myself healing as an Astrologian despite already knowing it can already be done with any combination. Honestly speaking, as a White Mage, I preferred having Synastry for double preys over Cure II spam. :x But, one thing I'd like to note that whoever likes Collective Unconscious the way it is now, I cannot understand why and how.

Essentially it's an Asylum or Sacred Soil; however, roots the Astrologian in place while preventing them able to cast anything. Including its small 6y radius, it leaves little to no time to make full use of it. 200 Potency stationary AoE Regen means the only use you'll get out of it is when you are able to top players off with 200 potency ticks without relying on the other healer to compensate your inability to heal during in. When you consider Asylum and Sacred Soil alternatives, you can see how disgustingly situational it is as despite being more potent than Asylum and 100% the same as Sacred Soil, as an AST you essentially throw away all spells so that you can gain its effect... which I honestly think defeats the purpose of a cooldown.

The only times I was actually consider using this was in A3 during single hand slaps onto the group (not shared by two tanks--less damage this way) since damage dealt could be healed by Collective Unconscious, but seeing as savage increases HPS requires by large amounts, I highly doubt keeping it up would be sufficient enough. I think if I were to actually use this skill is during Lightspeed for ticks during GCD downtime, but then again, you waste the remaining 15 seconds of it x_x;

Has the white knight "Krixus" aka. "AST is perfect, you suck" completed A1 and A2 savage as an AST? Can you tell us Mr. Krixus? D: