The problem with Summoners

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

It's not just the server as I df almost everything. I seen 4 in WoD and normally 1-2 a day. SMN offers some things BLM can't. In places like WoD they can actually have a more significant impact when enemies are spread out and a BLM can't AoE. Cerberus? They can DoT him up and then dot/bane the flowers. Stomach they can dps all of the Stomach parts at the same time.

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He meant that there are very few SMNs doing endgame raiding (Final Coil)... Maybe you could find some more now, because it's doesn't really matter now that everyone has the best gear, but you'll still barely see anyone.

SMN is good in WoD for example like you said, but that really doesn't matter. Even if a job isn't doing good in WoD, you'll beat it easily, so it doesn't make a difference.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

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Didn't state and most people running coil are running statics so of course they would run into less. But to say that they are going extinct is misleading when in reality they aren't. If they are so horrible as everyone states why would anyone even bother in WoD, dungeons etc.? The glimmer of hope that SE will retune the class? Wait or is it the class is actually enjoyable to play?

Visually, summoner really sucks. At least give new casting animations when upgrading from Arcanist to Summoner so we can feel at least a bit unique. Egis are totally boring as well.

The Arcanist and Summoner are disconnected from each other and Summoner's extension from Arcanist seems forced. The Summoner harnesses Energy of the Primal's and reshape it into a biddable Avatar which translates to Egi in Allagan. There is no reason why Summoner's don't have Elemental spells since they can channel the Energy of the Primals. I'm pretty sure judging by the story Summoner will get the ability to reshape the Egi into the Primals just like White Mage will get Holyra and Black Mage will get Flare Star.

Why not separate SCH from Arcanist? SCH has no business with the enhanced intelligence traits..

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Originally Posted by HexWeaver

Why not separate SCH from Arcanist? SCH has no business with the enhanced intelligence traits..

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Scholar is like a modified Necromancer with Shield Healing and some DPS. According to the Summoner job trainer Y'mhitra Summoner should be more like a modified Elementalist. Elemtalist focus the Elements into a physical form and without their Elemental minion they are a weak mage. Summoner's focus the Energy of the Primals into Egis and without their Egi they should be a weaker than the Scholar.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

Didn't state and most people running coil are running statics so of course they would run into less. But to say that they are going extinct is misleading when in reality they aren't. If they are so horrible as everyone states why would anyone even bother in WoD, dungeons etc.? The glimmer of hope that SE will retune the class? Wait or is it the class is actually enjoyable to play?

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Repeated forum posts since launch expounding upon the same principle issues by a multitude of people would show the last statement to not be the case.

But to answer your question, I still play my summoner in hope that yes someday SE will get around to actually finishing the job, because to be quite honest for the most part thats what the job feels like. As if it were rushed out to round off the arcanist class and make good on their promise that summoner would accompany 2.0's launch. Summoner most of the time for me feels like an afterthought and to be honest, the job deserves a lot more than that. WE deserve a lot more than that.

As for the rarity of the job. I've jumped servers 4 times. The frequency that I actually see another summoner is very low in comparison to seeing pretty much any other dps class/job. And that frequency is NOTHING compared to what it used to be. thats not even considering how rare of an occurrence it is that I actually see a summoner in the duty finder. If we could see some stats on things like most and least played classes/jobs most played races, ect.. I would bet you my children that Summoner would be at or one spot from the bottom of that list.

Visually the job is boring. Playwise it is tedious and unimagined at best and does nothing to connect the concept of FINAL FANTASY SUMMONER to itself.

They could have named this job Necromancer, gave us skeleton and zombie pets and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference other than actually making more sense considering the spell repetiore that we have. We deal exclusively in poison and disease, yet we have element based pets. Who ever at SE that thought this made any sort of sense was more dense than Hildibrand could ever be.

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Originally Posted by Havenae

Repeated forum posts since launch expounding upon the same principle issues by a multitude of people would show the last statement to not be the case.

But to answer your question, I still play my summoner in hope that yes someday SE will get around to actually finishing the job, because to be quite honest for the most part thats what the job feels like. As if it were rushed out to round off the arcanist class and make good on their promise that summoner would accompany 2.0's launch. Summoner most of the time for me feels like an afterthought and to be honest, the job deserves a lot more than that. WE deserve a lot more than that..

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Summoner is what it is and if you don't have fun playing it now you're not going to have playing in Heavensward no matter what they change.

The lore of ARR states the Primals are the physical manifestations of elemental Aether (Ifrit = Fire Aether, Titan = Earth Aether, and so on) and the lore of the Summoner is that they can channel a portion of the Primals Aether to call forth the Egi.

So it really makes no sense where all these current abilities (Bio, Miasma) fall in place in terms of lore. These abilities are a contradiction to the Summoners discipline of channeling elemental Aether. It would make more sense to give the Summoner a series of elemental abilities that are dictated by which Egi is in play at any given time. So the Summoner essentially draws their personal abilities from the Egi in play. So if Ifrit is in play the Summoner would gain Fire based abilities, Titan earth based abilities, and Garuda wind based abilities. They could still be D.O.T based attacks of course just with that elemental overlay in order to give the Egi more of a focus and for the lore of the job to match up with the actual game play.

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Originally Posted by SoloWingMetatron

So it really makes no sense where all these current abilities (Bio, Miasma) fall in place in terms of lore. It would make more sense to give the Summoner a series of elemental abilities that are dictated by which Egi is in play at any given time. So the Summoner essentially draws their personal abilities from the Egi in play. So if Ifrit is in play the Summoner would gain Fire based abilities, Titan earth based abilities, and Garuda wind based abilities. They could still be D.O.T based attacks of course just with that elemental overlay in order to give the Egi more of a focus and for the lore of the job to match up with the actual game play.

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I've been saying this since ARR was released lol. I don't think the devs really care enough to change it though.