Why don't they just add a duty set of the spells they feel are most balanced and test the job in 5.1 for the duty finder. Either way it would only be usable for level 60 stuff which is irrelevant content.
They might be surprised and it actually works for group content. Worst case scenario they can always reverse the change and restrict them again.
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07-29-2019, 10:17 AMBrightshadow
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07-29-2019, 08:19 PMBubblyBoar
The simple answer is straight up they just don't want to. They don't want BLU to be a normal job. Everything else is just an excuse.
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07-29-2019, 11:29 PMPalladiamorsAnd this more or less sums it up. It is entirely possible to make the Blue Mage into a job that can do duty finders, you have a required set of spells you have to have to enter the dungeon before letting it be unlocked, but they don't want to do that. They would also have to take time to rebalance Blue Mages since their damage is lower then it should be due to lacking a proper weapon ((No, the scaling doesn't make up for it, I ran it against a level 50 red mage in comparable gear and Red Mage's Jolt was dealing more damage than a juiced 130 potency Blue Mage attack, which should have been dealing roughly 20% more damage than Jolt. Instead it was dealing about 10% less)) but otherwise, Blue Mages only really excel at dealing with trash mobs. Oh and White Wind would have to be adjusted to fit in with the new 10000 MP limit, since it's cost was its limiting factor before but after the MP changes they just sorta forgot about Blue Mage and didn't adjust it so now we can use White Wind a whole lot more then we should be able to, considering its utility.Quote:
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Also, there is NO REASON why Blue Mage shouldn't be able to run with Squadrons. Zero. That particular limitation just felt mean spirited to me, a way to force people into the Party Finder to have to run with other people to get Glower. -
07-30-2019, 12:02 AMVainspark
If you want a shot at Yoshi P addressing BLU as becoming a potential "full" job. Please up vote any questions pertaining to BLU on the Q & A thread for the next live letter.
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07-30-2019, 12:11 AMShougunThat link doesn't seem to go to the place you want it, I think you meant:Quote:
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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-Questions%21
Also I'm curious if:
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Would also apply to Blue Mage, in that they don't intend to answer (or at least most) job related questions?
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07-30-2019, 12:19 AMHydrium
BLU was supposed to be overpowered and broken. Instead they mistook overpowered for gimmicky and screwed the scaling to top it off.
Limited jobs were a cute idea in theory but history is littered with cute/interesting theories that were eventually tossed into the dustbin for being shortsighted. -
07-30-2019, 12:47 AMPalladiamorsAnd just like I predicted, stronger mobs and all or close to all bosses are already immune to broken mechanics. They've backed themselves into a corner with this idea, where the class is functionally one the weakest of the DPS ((Dancer maybe not included, haven't run any tests there yet)) with some interesting utility ((That can be rebalanced again, when they revisit MP costs for Blue Mages are revisited)) but that don't have any strict reason for not being allowed in normal content. Throw mobs with essential skills into the carnival ((Including soloable versions of the primals)) and have a check list required of active skills ((We already have something similar in the blue mage spell book, have a second spell book marked required for dungeons with an 'at least one of X skills')) and that puts it where every other class sits, requiring the player to put a little thought into how to play the class. What you'll have is a job that has a good chunk of front loaded damage that doesn't require a particular class mechanic that's really good at AoE and can take some of the burden off of healers, allowing said healers to DPS more effectively to make up for the Blue Mages lack of damage while not letting them strictly replace healers.Quote:
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It won't happen, of course, I get the feeling the 'limited job' thing was offered as a way to shut up people who were being vocal about wanting certain jobs that would require more work than other jobs without having to go whole hog into the design. -
07-30-2019, 12:52 AMVainspark
Thank you for fixing the link, and I'm hoping they just ment job ability/potency adjustments. Maybe we are lucky and this will fall into a systems question ? I can only hope we get some sort of update.
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07-30-2019, 03:25 AMVerlyn
Yes, please. I want to use BLU in normal gameplay.
Turning BLU into a 'normal' job that can queue for stuff doesn't have to be complicated, even. Design a rotation and gameplay for BLU then class the spells around it and make spells of the same class have similar potency/damage. So many of them are exactly the same with slight flavor differences anyway, so it doesn't matter if their potencies are normalized and the added effects work in nothing but open world.
If BLU has a gameplay setup and spells are classed properly, then the spellbook can simply have slots for each part of the rotation/ability set. Select your favorite skills for each slot!
>Slot in a single target
>Slot in a single target off-GCD
>Slot in your flavor of AoE
>Slot in your flavor of DoT
>etc
Then give them maybe two or three utility slots to bring anything they want. Have the Masked Carnivale or Job Quests guide them to or award the bare basics for these slots so that people who don't want to hunt spells do not have to. Bam!
Main downside is that the likes of White Wind are probably going to have to be nerfed, and I'm okay with that. I like the job, I like its spell set, I don't think it's impossible to bring it in line and satisfy those who want a real job to play in real content without sacrificing BLU's current flavor. -
07-30-2019, 07:44 AMReiMakotoWorry not, white wind would probably only get a minor nerf, because despite how people obsess over how strong it is, it would not actually be that unbalanced in a raid setting, (espeically if they just upped its mana cost to veraise levels), because there would rarely be a time where getting the BLU to spend a gcd to heal the party would be optimal, and the few times it is, well, thats just utility. This is because in a raid team you'll only ever have 1 BLU, and healers have such comprehensive ogcd kits, that they can heal up the party without needing to spend gcds, and if they are in a situation where they need to spend gcds, likely the whole party is on low health, in which case white wind is useless anyway. And before someone brings up "Oh you could cover/bene the BLU so they could white wind the party up). First casters have a low health pool, so it wouldn't top everyone off, 2, why would you do that instead of an ogcd, 3 why would you use that instead of say a cure 3, because im assuming a BLU spending a gcd to heal is more of a loss than a healer spending a gcd to heal. If there is a situation where White Wind would be strong enough to be the defacto strat, im sure it would be quite nicheQuote:
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