Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Roda

I hope you know that not having a horse in this race, and coming in here and wishing an unfavorable outcome on those who just care too much is fanning the flames for those who are posting here because they would be extremely disappointed with se if they decided to give us two half finished races instead of one finished race.

Putting someone in a mindset where it is 100% chance that they will be disappointed already puts folk in a foul mood. And saying they deserve it when they express their desire to stop supporting a company that has stopped supporting them further diminishes their mood. Doing both when they have been being goaded by contrarians, "got mine, f you" folks, and people shaming them for having preferences pushes the thread into a flame war. I've never seen someone calling someone's poorly expressed concerns a tantrum and defusing the tension with the comparison.

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I don't think you've read my posts, so I can understand your pick and choose responce. You are entitled to feel that way but please understand considering how this thread is going, you're not admonishing me. I will continue to operate this way and will be back in a month either way to see how it goes down.

You didn't even read my latest post about how i think it doesn't make sense not to have male viera due to development so I mean... thank you. I agree with the sentiment of your post but you're not telling me anything I don't know, have addressed or disagree with.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

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Yeah, the problem is we have no idea what Hrothgar are. They might chop off half of a very requested race to put in a new one that might not be what people were asking for at all. They aren't Ronso, because if they were they would be called Ronso. I'm also growint to be not so jazzed about having another feline race when there could be... buff bird boys? Or buff dog boys? Or buff elemental boys?
Not to mention, SOME of those people wanted playable beast girls too! All of the beast tribes that have been requested have both genders, all of which have been seen! Ronsos, Bangaas, and Lupin all have females. Maybe I want to play a Bangaa in a coeurl print bikini? Who is SE to stop me! D:<

And none taken, I never thought you were out to get me. I also clearly didn't elaborate what I meant in the first post judging by some of the responses to me lol.

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

They do look the same lol.

I engage you to consider the following though: Japan is a highly traditional country where even though in America we might be slightly more progressive... In Japan the typical "Sexy/soft female - Strong male" thing is their desired preset. It's ingrained in their culture as a patriarchal society.

So while they are a global company, they have to make certain accommodations (male bunny suit) they aren't going to jump with arms wide open into feminine bunnybois. This is represented in every anime trophe ever. But it's not as though strides haven't been made, we've seen some more progressive themes filter into the game little by little. But I mean keep in mind that this game is created by a japanese company. It's going to take time.

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I used to live in Japan. In the country side. I am pretty familiar with Japanese culture. The older folk definitely hang onto the ways of the past, and that's who is running SE. They do need to open themselves up for being equal, because it hurts no one and benefits them.

An aside though, even when I lived there places like Ikebukuro and butler cafes were becoming very popular very fast, animes like Free!, Kuroko no Basuke, and Kuroshitsuji were absolutely mowing over the rest of them (let me tell you about how the girls in my dorms used to force the boys off of the TV so they could watch anime boys swim lol it was a bloodbath), and even game stores and hobby shops were selling increasing amounts of female-oriented stuff. I don't think it's Japan as a whole since the younger crowd is pretty damn progressive. You would have to wear blinders to think that female fans weren't everywhere in Japan and absolutely ravenous since companies are still not quite grasping that fact.

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

Honestly, with the number of documented times they've talked about development cost constraints (SE treats FFXIV as a cashcow and draws a ton of profit from it without giving them much of an increased budget for development), why even make a second race? It has to be considerably easier to just make male and females, avoid all the ire from the vocal minority and develop gear for the male counterpart to the females.

So I am really interested in their reasoning at this point. I need the JP fanfest now lol.

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This exactly. They've told us time and time again that making races takes a whole lot of resources, so I find it rather strange how there's apparently 2 different races? Wouldn't it just have been easier to do male and female Viera and leave it at that, I feel like most people were expecting it and it's a rather safe bet. March 22nd can't come soon enough.

I just have trouble believing the people that want male viera are the minority though, given all the communication the EU fanfest has caused in both the east and west. I mean, like you said, maybe we're just vocal but it seems to be coming from all directions. Male viera have been talked about since FF12 even. I don't think the demand for them to be out of left field at all.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I like cats. I want to play a big, beefy cat man.

By all means, add male Viera too - my beefy cat man will need something to chase around! ;)

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Hey, now! Chase me and you'll get a few arrows for your trouble! >:P

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

I used to live in Japan. In the country side. I am pretty familiar with Japanese culture. The older folk definitely hang onto the ways of the past, and that's who is running SE. They do need to open themselves up for being equal, because it hurts no one and benefits them.

An aside though, even when I lived there places like Ikebukuro and butler cafes were becoming very popular very fast, animes like Free!, Kuroko no Basuke, and Kuroshitsuji were absolutely mowing over the rest of them (let me tell you about how the girls in my dorms used to force the boys off of the TV so they could watch anime boys swim lol it was a bloodbath), and even game stores and hobby shops were selling increasing amounts of female-oriented stuff. I don't think it's Japan as a whole since the younger crowd is pretty damn progressive. You would have to wear blinders to think that female fans weren't everywhere in Japan and absolutely ravenous since companies are still not quite grasping that fact.

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First. I am jealous of you lol but yeah! I think it's slowly an undercurrent so that's why my overall point is to give this game time while keeping all factors in mind as well. I don't see them ignoring us completely as the playerbase keeps asking for these things.

Not to mention it's bad business practice for any company that wants to operate in a global market to not take into account the cultures of their customers. I just don't see SE throwing themselves into the progressive wave lol.

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Originally Posted by ErysNight

Honestly, with the number of documented times they've talked about development cost constraints (SE treats FFXIV as a cashcow and draws a ton of profit from it without giving them much of an increased budget for development), why even make a second race? It has to be considerably easier to just make male and females, avoid all the ire from the vocal minority and develop gear for the male counterpart to the females.

So I am really interested in their reasoning at this point. I need the JP fanfest now lol.

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To be fair to them, they do re-invest in it; they quadrupled the budget for SB if memory serves, and I imagine ShB will benefit from an increased budget, too. The fact that Yoshi-P felt he could even mention a graphics overhaul on the panel with Ayumi (albeit they're still holding off on committing to this) makes me think he's confident the game will get continued funds as long as it makes SE money. So much so that they aren't even considering talk of another MMO just yet.

As for why they would toy with two races, it could just be that they see it as a good marketing tool to attract new players, especially nostalgic WoW players. I'm not yet 100% convinced about whether Hrothgar will be included, and I am sure if they are they will keep the design tame, but I could see it being a handy tool to draw more players. They have the opportunity to figure out why people don't play Roegadyn as much and factor it into their design.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I just have trouble believing the people that want male viera are the minority though, given all the communication the EU fanfest has caused in both the east and west. I mean, like you said, maybe we're just vocal but it seems to be coming from all directions. Male viera have been talked about since FF12 even. I don't think the demand for them to be out of left field at all.

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Logically, if you took the time to count the number of people in this thread that "care" for the number of active players in the latest player count... This thread is just the same 30 to maybe at a high estimate 100 (gonna round up even more 500) players talking about this. Most players are going to be a bit peeved but not enough to do about it. So for NA alone, you're looking at maybe less than 1% the total active player base?

That's a minority.

Also, I didn't count so hence the high estimate. I am happy to have someone count.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I like cats. I want to play a big, beefy cat man.

By all means, add male Viera too - my beefy cat man will need something to chase around! ;)

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Roegadyn and all future bara cats get to chase me when I become a male Viera dancer, wearing my black summer evening swimsuit...

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Originally Posted by Lauront

To be fair to them, they do re-invest in it; they quadrupled the budget for SB if memory serves, and I imagine ShB will benefit from an increased budget, too. The fact that Yoshi-P felt he could even mention a graphics overhaul on the panel with Ayumi (albeit they're still holding off on committing to this) makes me think he's confident the game will get continued funds as long as it makes SE money. So much so that they aren't even considering talk of another MMO just yet.

As for why they would toy with two races, it could just be that they see it as a good marketing tool to attract new players, especially nostalgic WoW players. I'm not yet 100% convinced about whether Hrothgar will be included, and I am sure if they are they will keep the design tame, but I could see it being a handy tool to draw more players. They have the opportunity to figure out why people don't play Roegadyn as much and factor it into their design.

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Source for quadrupled budget?