Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

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10-10-2011, 12:28 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

So what? Then don't do it.
Why bother to worry about what others are doing?

because everyone be doing and no one be partying then we have to do it or solo? why should we be force to solo just so we don't be PL? Sorry but matter what you say and how many time you say it does not make PL right.
10-10-2011, 12:30 AM
Charismatic

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

because everyone be doing and no one be partying then we have to do it or solo? why should we be force to solo just so we don't be PL? Sorry but matter what you say and how many time you say it does not make PL right.

Why isn't everyone powerleveling right now? I've joined several parties and I actually see more people actively partying without PLs now that it's easier than before than I actually did prior to the patch. One day you'll realize how full of it you are, unfortunately I doubt that day will be today.
10-10-2011, 12:30 AM
Issac

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

So what? Then don't do it.
Why bother to worry about what others are doing?

Because when a lv50 jackoff runs in and kills all the mobs that you're trying to kill with your legitimate party to get her friend a rank, I assume it would annoy anyone.

What is this, like the 10th time this has been stated in multiple ways? Also, it's like 1 of >10 reasons why it's a problem.
10-10-2011, 12:31 AM
AmyRae

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

How about you let it go? while we try and save this game for you? i'm sorry if you agree with this type of level up system but a big % of us don't and should not be like this. FFXI got killed for the same reason we don't want to happen in ffxiv top of that there not enough thing to do at the end of this game anyways so what the big deal of race to max.

You're not saving this game for me, you're guarding your level 50 castle by attempting to throw roadblocks in front of anyone else who might have an easier time to catch up. It's like demanding the interstate highways be torn up because your ancestors had to cross the country by stagecoach, and making it easier dishonors their hardship.

Stop focusing on how you've made yourself "better" than someone else for your sense of worth, because that's all this complaining about powerleveing is rooted in. Focus on what you find challenging and rewarding. Who cares how hard anyone else has it?
10-10-2011, 12:31 AM
Charismatic

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Originally Posted by Issac

Because when a lv50 jackoff runs in and kills all the mobs that you're trying to kill with your legitimate party to get her friend a rank, I assume it would annoy anyone.

What is this, like the 10th time this has been stated in multiple ways? Also, it's like 1 of >10 reasons why it's a problem.

Yeah, it would annoy you if there was another party of the same rank there killing all the mobs too. Do what you'd do in that instance. Cry about it, work something out with the other group or leave. Get over it.
10-10-2011, 12:32 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Why isn't everyone powerleveling right now? I've joined several parties and I actually see more people actively partying without PLs now that it's easier than before than I actually did prior to the patch. One day you'll realize how full of it you are, unfortunately I doubt that day will be today.

really? do you want me to take screenshot how many time PL came took our mobs? and had to move somewhere else? or how many powerlevel there is? sorry before 1.19 there way a lot more people partying then there is now. i see more soloing /pl then anything.
10-10-2011, 12:32 AM
Charismatic

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

really? do you want me to take screenshot how many time PL came took our mobs? and had to move somewhere else? or how many powerlevel there is? sorry before 1.19 there way a lot more people partying then there is now. i see more soloing /pl then anything.

Please do.
10-10-2011, 12:36 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Sorry but matter what you say and how many time you say it does not make PL right.

Does not make it wrong either.
10-10-2011, 12:38 AM
Issac

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

You're not saving this game for me, you're guarding your level 50 castle by attempting to throw roadblocks in front of anyone else who might have an easier time to catch up. It's like demanding the interstate highways be torn up because your ancestors had to cross the country by stagecoach, and making it easier dishonors their hardship.

Stop focusing on how you've made yourself "better" than someone else for your sense of worth, because that's all this complaining about powerleveing is rooted in. Focus on what you find challenging and rewarding. Who cares how hard anyone else has it?

I'm sorry, did you miss this or simply ignore it?

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Originally Posted by Issac

There seems to be a handful of people here that refuse to see the truth of the damage this could do to the game. It's like ignorance, the folly of man.

It's not about jealousy from veterans from launch.
It's not about pride, or gloating from the top of the mountain.
It's not about greed, it's not like anyone wants to have a "special class" by being 50. (That notion already doesn't exist.)
It's not about the lack of content, that is being fixed every patch.

It. Simply. Breaks. The. Game.
I don't know how this couldn't be any more clear, any more true, any more resoundingly correct.
10-10-2011, 12:40 AM
Amaya

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

So what? Then don't do it.
Why bother to worry about what others are doing?

Because in the world of an MMO the point is to have OTHERS to play with but if everyone else other then myself is doing it how will the experience of playing the game be any good? I know im not the only one who feel's this way and just because your desperate for them to keep this doesn't mean other's are.
10-10-2011, 12:41 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Please do.

Here one person taking our dodo while we was partying i have to find the other party camp in my screenshot folder but for now take a look.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/75743073.jpg/

also if you did not read a few back there a lot of people complain how ppl taking there camps.

Also seeing how you in the same world how about you walk around and you can see it for yourself? i build a party and one of our member even ask us to find a powerlevel it becoming main stream.
10-10-2011, 12:42 AM
Mindx3

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

really? do you want me to take screenshot how many time PL came took our mobs? and had to move somewhere else? or how many powerlevel there is? sorry before 1.19 there way a lot more people partying then there is now. i see more soloing /pl then anything.

Ah i didnt know eorzea belonged to Zenaku and his party, i now understand this thread..if someone took your land and you cant compete then move on to other lands(Eorzea has alot of it)! Or quit...

Edit- Shouldent the plvl be done in like 10 min anyways? :rolleyes:
10-10-2011, 12:42 AM
Charismatic

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Originally Posted by Amaya

Because in the world of an MMO the point is to have OTHERS to play with but if everyone else other then myself is doing it how will the experience of playing the game be any good? I know im not the only one who feel's this way and just because your desperate for them to keep this doesn't mean other's are.

Yeah, you get back to me when everyone else is doing it. I'm sure pigs'll be flying by then.
10-10-2011, 12:43 AM
Charismatic

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Here one person taking our dodo while we was partying i have to find the other party camp in my screenshot folder but for now take a look.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/75743073.jpg/

also if you did not read a few back there a lot of people complain how ppl taking there camps.

Also seeing how you in the same world how about you walk around and you can see it for yourself? i build a party and one of our member even ask us to find a powerlevel it becoming main stream.

Oh no, one powerleveler took 'your' enemy. I guess you've never had another party roll up on your camp before, right?
10-10-2011, 12:43 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Here one person taking our dodo while we was partying i have to find the other party camp in my screenshot folder but for now take a look.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/804/75743073.jpg/

also if you did not read a few back there a lot of people complain how ppl taking there camps.

Also seeing how you in the same world how about you walk around and you can see it for yourself? i build a party and one of our member even ask us to find a powerlevel it becoming main stream.

Why didnt you claim faster than them? Or change camp?
10-10-2011, 12:47 AM
Amaya

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Yeah, you get back to me when everyone else is doing it. I'm sure pigs'll be flying by then.

Open your eyes pigs are flying haven't you noticed ive seen thousands of plvls already its sickening everytime i setup a party couple minutes in a plvl passes by no matter where im at jsut bceause you dont play long enough to see it or choose to ignore it doesnt mean its not there.
10-10-2011, 12:48 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by viion

Why didnt you claim faster than them? Or change camp?

don't you read? i have done that and more and more times powerlevel and more powerlevel comes. Claim faster? really vs a person who 50 and cast AOE and kill over 70% of the mobs in that spot?

@Charismatic other party kills same speed pl can kill all the mobs within 1-2aoe or you don't get that?

@Mindx3 Did you not read? there powerlevel everywhere and where should i go when i ran out of mobs around my range? you people are jokes i can't believe you want this system i'm sorry but over 100+ ike this and agree this should not be allow.

It going to be fix one way or other SE wont Allow RMT to use this it be gimp so not even other players be allow. You want to powerlevel? get your friend a party and heal his party there no downtime but your friend still working for his level and not AFK. SE can also give you EXP band and many other way to deal with this.
10-10-2011, 12:49 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

don't you read? i have done that and more and more times powerlevel and more powerlevel comes.

Then move camp again or, claim faster.
10-10-2011, 12:51 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by viion

Then move camp again or, claim faster.

Then they be other Powerlevel or you don't get this point how about you go to other topic you really not helping yourself here.
10-10-2011, 12:52 AM
Issac

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Originally Posted by viion

Then move camp again or, claim faster.

"Claiming faster" wouldn't rectify the overall issue at hand.

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Originally Posted by Issac

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Originally Posted by Issac

Say I have a party of 8. We hit a mob and get 4 links. We're busy fighting 5 mobs appropriate for our level while the plvl runs around and chains the other 25. This is excessive. We finish fighting our 5 mobs, and the mobs are now respawning sporadically around the map. We can't get that link bonus anymore, so while we kill that 1 mob, the plvl runs around and kills 5.

Do you get what I'm saying, here? Note that this is an exaggerated situation as I'm going along with your "more mobs, faster respawn" scenario.

No one should have that kind of advantage, that kind of gain. Powerleveling should NOT be rewarding to that extent.
And it doesn't matter if none of us are paying for the damn game. Right now they're listening to us and, for the most part, changes to come are democratic in nature. I am fairly confident that the majority doesn't want this kind of spoon-feeding to be rampant in this game.

And to tell you the truth, I -would- pay for this game right now. Just not with this BS going on in it.
10-10-2011, 12:52 AM
AmyRae

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Originally Posted by Issac

I'm sorry, did you miss this or simply ignore it?

I was really hoping you'd go away because your constant barrage of pointlessly quoting yourself seemed genuinely narcissistic in a misplaced sort-of-way.

Allow me to demonstrate:

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Originally Posted by Issac

It. Simply. Does. Not. Break. The. Game.
I don't know how this couldn't be any more clear, any more true, any more resoundingly correct.

FTFY

See how easy that was? You don't substantiate any of your points, and yet you spout this stuff like you wrote the Bible yourself. Why should I care how many times you quote yourself? Make a point, sometime. Maybe I'll care then.
10-10-2011, 12:53 AM
odette

you nevfer read, but yoshi are aggree with power level, come on, you need forget old times of ffxi, ffxi was awful slow
10-10-2011, 12:56 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Then they be other Powerlevel or you don't get this point how about you go to other topic you really not helping yourself here.

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Originally Posted by Issac

"Claiming faster" wouldn't rectify the overall issue at hand.

There is no issue at hand. Your upset people are "Stealing" your mobs, which are free to anyone and unclaimed, they were not yours. If a PLer comes and I'm PTing I just work that much harder to get them. But I dont see point, I just join into the power levelling because the overal goal is I want a class up, what is the best way to do that? PLing. Its like going to a "Good camp" to fight a "Good mob" in order to the the "Best Experience", now only though its get a "Good Friend".

Not to mention it will die down soon, like everything does.
10-10-2011, 12:56 AM
Amaya

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I was really hoping you'd go away because your constant barrage of pointlessly quoting yourself seemed genuinely narcissistic in a misplaced sort-of-way.

Allow me to demonstrate:

FTFY

See how easy that was? You don't substantiate any of your points, and yet you spout this stuff like you wrote the Bible yourself. Why should I care how many times you quote yourself? Make a point, sometime. Maybe I'll care then.

And what's your point? because it seem's you haven't made any other then plvlign is ok whats your reasoning?
10-10-2011, 12:56 AM
Issac

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I was really hoping you'd go away because your constant barrage of pointlessly quoting yourself seemed genuinely narcissistic in a misplaced sort-of-way.

Allow me to demonstrate:

FTFY

See how easy that was? You don't substantiate any of your points, and yet you spout this stuff like you wrote the Bible yourself. Why should I care how many times you quote yourself? Make a point, sometime. Maybe I'll care then.

And now I have to do it a fourth time. Points have been substantiated all throughout the thread. Here are just the first 20 pages.

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Originally Posted by Issac

Alright, I went through the first 20 pages picking up random points of interest in the issue at hand. I'm not doing this to show how many people agree. Heck, the list started getting too long and I was growing tired of rereading everything so I skipped to the end for the last point. Anyway, here they are:

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Originally Posted by KamikazeMan

I completely agree. It might as well be considered cheating >_>

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Originally Posted by Jericho

When leveling is that easy, all the gear from 1-49 is completely and utterly useless.

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Originally Posted by Blarp

I'm just not sure I understand SE's design methodology. Character progression is the most crucial part of an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

You throw a exploitable mechanic in a MMO, and expect players will not exploit it.
Welcome to wonderland.

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Originally Posted by Travesty

There isn't even 10% of the end game content they'd need to satisfy advancement as rapid as this. Even if you argue leveling should be easy or nonexistent and the game should focus on content for high levels, that content needs to exist before people get there and right now it doesn't. How can anyone be in favor of this?

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Originally Posted by Travesty

Ok, why not just start the game fully geared, inside the Ifrit instance, in a party. I mean why not, let's just cut to the chase. Screw the working up to it. This leveling nonsense is tiresome. Let's just make the game a circular room with doors to a bunch of different raids. Sounds like an RPG to me!

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Originally Posted by Senprum

I loved this game and I'm here since Open Beta. I'm a fan of Yoishi's work, but this is ridiculous. I can't find a good solution for this. An update? People are powerleveling like crazies right now. They can do a rollback, but I don't think they are going to do that.

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Originally Posted by Senprum

What?
And, what's is the point of the economy? I haven't said anything about that. I just said the content pre-50 is pointless. Why instances of level 15 and 25? Why all the sidequests? Why reforming levequest system? Why are you going to level up "normally" if you can powerlevel?

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Originally Posted by Nanaya

And this is to say nothing of the potential boon RMT likely see. If this game actually does take off and become successful, this is the perfect opportunity for them to plan ahead and stockpile level 50s with very little work or effort involved, SE might as well have given them a machine that prints money.

Let's push everyone else's opinion aside and just say I'm a narcissist. Hey, it's not that bad.
10-10-2011, 12:59 AM
viion

Yoshi wants his game like this, and this is how the game is. If you're not happy then this is not the game for you.

Powerlevelling is how it is, its the new way to level. Just like how using Dated gear is dated, get with times, upgrade your gear, get power levelling.
10-10-2011, 01:00 AM
Issac

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Originally Posted by viion

Yoshi wants his game like this, and this is how the game is. If you're not happy then this is not the game for you.

Powerlevelling is how it is, its the new way to level. Just like how using Dated gear is dated, get with times, upgrade your gear, get power levelling.

Or if we care enough, and obviously you don't, we can work together to improve the game.
10-10-2011, 01:02 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Issac

Or if we care enough, and obviously you don't, we can work together to improve the game.

I care, and I prefer it this way, so what you see as an improvement by making the game into a long chore and forced to play specific styles. I do not.

I see improvements as: Choices

So, I care, just not for your way of how you see the game to be. I see it how Yoshi sees it.
10-10-2011, 01:03 AM
AmyRae

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Originally Posted by Issac

Let's push everyone else's opinion aside and just say I'm a narcissist. Hey, it's not that bad.

Thus sayeth the Isaac.

- Isaac 3:16
10-10-2011, 01:03 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by viion

Yoshi wants his game like this, and this is how the game is. If you're not happy then this is not the game for you.

Powerlevelling is how it is, its the new way to level. Just like how using Dated gear is dated, get with times, upgrade your gear, get power levelling.

Hey new flash guess what the forums are for? to change the stuff the game is adding :) he said to talk about it there even dev tag for every issue and everything he add omg :) how awesome is that they added a forums so we can talk about stuff and issue omg!!!! That what we doing :) and over 100ppl agree
10-10-2011, 01:03 AM
Issac

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Originally Posted by viion

I care, and I prefer it this way, so what you see as an improvement by making the game into a long chore and forced to play specific styles. I do not.

I see improvements as: Choices

So, I care, just not for your way of how you see the game to be. I see it how Yoshi sees it.

The way "Yoshi sees it" depends on player input as we have already seen. So, you have your opinion and I have mine. Let the majority opinion win.
10-10-2011, 01:05 AM
Amaya

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Thus sayeth the Isaac.

- Isaac 3:16

You here to discuss the issue or spoute nonsense?
10-10-2011, 01:07 AM
AmyRae

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Originally Posted by Amaya

You here to discuss the issue or spoute nonsense?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
10-10-2011, 01:08 AM
viion

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Hey new flash guess what the forums are for? to change the stuff the game is adding :) he said to talk about it there even dev tag for every issue and everything he add omg :) how awesome is that they added a forums so we can talk about stuff and issue omg!!!! That what we doing :) and over 100ppl agree

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Originally Posted by Issac

The way "Yoshi sees it" depends on player input as we have already seen. So, you have your opinion and I have mine. Let the majority opinion win.

Yes we have a forum, we also can say we disagree with your opinion on it, but you seem to not like that.

We can say in the forum we like power levelling. But you dont like that.
We both have opinions but apparently my opinion is not welcomed, yours is.

That there, is the bullshit that makes both your posts completely irrelevant.

Not to mention, the fact that apparently, you say "Everyone" is doing it ingame, how is "Everyone" not the majority?

What you think people agree on, is not bound by a number of likes or comments if "Everyone" is doing it.

Lol.

See, most of the time if something is nice and people are actively doing it. They are in game....Actively doing it. Only a few come on the forum to defend those. But when people dislike it their next action is to try change it, so they come here.

So you always see a favouring in change over those who prefer it.
10-10-2011, 01:11 AM
Mindx3

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Originally Posted by viion

Yes we have a forum, we also can say we disagree with your opinion on it, but you seem to not like that.

We can say in the forum we like power levelling. But you dont like that.
We both have opinions but apparently my opinion is not welcomed, yours is.

That there, is the bullshit that makes both your posts completely irrelevant.

Not to mention, the fact that apparently, you say "Everyone" is doing it ingame, how is "Everyone" not the majority?

What you think people agree on, is not bound by a number of likes or comments if "Everyone" is doing it.

Lol.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

@Mindx3 Did you not read? there powerlevel everywhere and where should i go when i ran out of mobs around my range? you people are jokes i can't believe you want this system i'm sorry but over 100+ dislike this and agree this should not be allow.

WE WIN! /10char
10-10-2011, 01:11 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by viion

Yes we have a forum, we also can say we disagree with your opinion on it, but you seem to not like that.

We can say in the forum we like power levelling. But you dont like that.
We both have opinions but apparently my opinion is not welcomed, yours is.

That there, is the bullshit that makes both your posts completely irrelevant.

Not to mention, the fact that apparently, you say "Everyone" is doing it ingame, how is "Everyone" not the majority?

What you think people agree on, is not bound by a number of likes or comments if "Everyone" is doing it.

Lol.

You giving your view i understand everyone but the powerlevel still have to go. Top of that i don't even view your reason anymore viion listening to you here for months made me see the type of person you are.

Sorry if you dislike it but yoshi-p is wrong powerlevel should not be allow too this type it's way too much.

What yoshi-p is going back on his word on it should take players 3 and half month to level? If he goes back on his word on this what else can he do? Sorry yoshi-p have to fix this issue no one should level this quick.
10-10-2011, 01:12 AM
Amaya

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Then you should rest up a bit to think about it no need to hurt you brain here. This is a true and known issue those who ignore it are just abusing it. Don't worry about it though i'm sure your point will come across eventually. Just make sure you figure out whether to laugh or cry.
10-10-2011, 01:13 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Mindx3

WE WIN! /10char

So i said dislike by mistake got a issue with that?
10-10-2011, 01:13 AM
Issac

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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Exodus 3:16: Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, hath appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt

Are you referring to that? I'm not religious, but are you really using that as an anology?

Come on, now.
10-10-2011, 01:15 AM
Zenaku

Anyways tomrrow would be monday if the Dev team say this is ok then SE going to lose a lot of players if they say no then they lose a lot of players it's a lose/lose but at the end powerlevel is broken and even yoshi-p said it should take 3month for someone to reach max level.

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