[dev1008] Petition to have Jumping implement

Dragoons like myself should be able to have a jumping bonus compared to the other jobs. It would only make sense, it's lore! But really, I would love to see how they can even out jumping with lalafell jumps compared to roe jumps..

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Originally Posted by Otaku

I think one of the biggest problems with jumping in the world of FFXIV would be setting the base height of the jump mechanics ,will some races jump higher?, would this make some races less appealing for certain content? would mobs be able to jump as well? All the little thing that no one is looking at have to be addressed and having the dev team spend time working on this isn't even close to a priority imho, let them work on content, that's what everyone can agree on.

EDIT: also after reading this thread a bit some say that jumping is coming, I have been over all the info I have and have not seen anything about jumping aside from YP talking about that Chocobo's won't fly or swim, if you have solid info please post, if not quit talking out your backside.

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RPGSite: Last question… what core mechanics—if any—are being drawn from western MMO developers? Such as the option to do things like swimming and jumping?

Yoshida: I’m a very hardcore gamer, and one of the first things when I got onto FFXIV was that I wanted to add a jump feature. When I threw that out to the community, what surprised me was that a lot of players were against that idea. Their complaint was that you shouldn’t be able to jump in a FINAL FANTASY game! Just because it’s in all the other MMOs, does it fit with the image of FINAL FANTASY? For example, people didn’t want to see Lalafells jumping all around. Personally, I don’t like the fact that my character is bound to the ground, so I definitely want to add a jump feature.

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Seen Here

mounts and jumping

well hello there ancient thread from the XIV dark ages...

i thought it was already fully known that 2.0 will have jumping.

we have jumping now, it was added a few patches ago: /happy

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/a...nte/501540.jpg

heres your jumping!

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Originally Posted by Niqote

I think many people are assuming that 'jump' will be like the lesser quality korean MMO clones with thier 3 x your height jump spam abilities...

Personally when I think of a FFXIV jump I think more like a real world hurdles jump or vaulting off the rails ...

http://www.colourbox.com/preview/345...ng-parkour.jpg

I believe this would be a win for the '' immersion argument ''

Roes, elvann and highlanders would just step onto the rail
Miqo's and lowlanders much like the picture
Lalas would hoist and slide over

Something like that ^^

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Which would fit contextual jumping just fine.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

we have jumping now, it was added a few patches ago: /happy

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people dont find it funny when i keep saying we have jump already either

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Originally Posted by Xionraserei

Those are offline games where jumping abuse doesn't hurt other people's immersion.

This is not an FPS, there is no place for bunny hopping or mario jumps. If they do add jumping it should be like in Final Fantasy 13 where you move close to something and it auto jumps you because that's where its appropriate to jump, (Or give you the option only at that point to use jump). This is a small detail that can help separate a serious mmo title from toony games like WoW.

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Pretty sure offline games try for immersion as well. I know Xenoblade was pretty immersive, despite the fact that it had jumping. How is not being able to jump a few feet more immersive than being able to?

Also since it's "toony", we gotta remove Dragoon. Because they can jump, and I don't want to play WoW guys I wanna play a serious MMO.

DRG's jump ability is an ability that fits the lore of the job.

As for the thread...I don't see the point in having a bunny hop feature for the sake of it. WoW has a jump feature but has content that requires you to utilize it in an intelligent matter. If we had content that required the feature to jump implemented I would be all for it. As long as it's not an useless animation that the devs don't have to waste their time on.

However if a jump feature were added, if added as an action command(requring something to prompt the player when to activate) that will give us the jump feature and restrict any bunny hoppers!

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Originally Posted by Otaku

I think one of the biggest problems with jumping in the world of FFXIV would be setting the base height of the jump mechanics ,will some races jump higher?, would this make some races less appealing for certain content? would mobs be able to jump as well? All the little thing that no one is looking at have to be addressed and having the dev team spend time working on this isn't even close to a priority imho, let them work on content, that's what everyone can agree on.

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Just make all the races jump the same height, regardless of their size. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Otaku

EDIT: also after reading this thread a bit some say that jumping is coming, I have been over all the info I have and have not seen anything about jumping aside from YP talking about that Chocobo's won't fly or swim, if you have solid info please post, if not quit talking out your backside.

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Wow, you've really been living under a rock, haven't you? It's been confirmed in several interviews, and Yoshi-P even showed a video of the prototype jumping animation during one of the Live Letters that they've done a couple times. So don't accuse other people of "talking out their ass" when really it's just you who's failed to keep up with the news.

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Originally Posted by aikawananase

go to your nearest lake and go jump in it and go swimming.
dont want ff11 stuff in 14? we dont want your stupid wow/aion jump in 14 either.
shut up about it already..............

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It has nothing to do with WoW or Aion, it has to do with the fact that the game is 3D.

A 3D game needs to have some kind of jumping, either contextual jumping or a jump button, or else navigating the terrain will be super annoying (which it was in FFXI).

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Originally Posted by Rhianu

It has nothing to do with WoW or Aion, it has to do with the fact that the game is 3D.

A 3D game needs to have some kind of jumping, either a contextual jumping or a jump button, or else navigating the terrain will be super annoying (which it was in FFXI).

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Was it also annoying in every single player RPG sense 3D games began?

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Originally Posted by Rhianu

It has nothing to do with WoW or Aion, it has to do with the fact that the game is 3D.

A 3D game needs to have some kind of jumping, either a contextual jumping or a jump button, or else navigating the terrain will be super annoying (which it was in FFXI).

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False.

They can keep invisible walls to stop you from jumping over a rock all the same.

People seem to be deeply confused.

I unlocked DRG this past week, and the first ability they gave me was "Jump". A few levels later, I got "Elusive Jump". At the end, I got "Dragonfire Dive" which is also a jump ability.

You got three of them and one of them even spews fire!

(Also, Full Thrust and Doomspike.)

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Originally Posted by Dragon

False.

They can keep invisible walls to stop you from jumping over a rock all the same.

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I don't understand why anyone would be for invisible walls in a game where they want immersion, but sure.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

I don't understand why anyone would be for invisible walls in a game where they want immersion, but sure.

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When did they say they wanted immersion?

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Originally Posted by abby

If I can't even jump over a .5ft cliff now with my dragoon...what's going to make a difference with a jumping action?

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... to allow you to jump over that .5ft obstacle.

This is not rocket science.

Lol who cares, why was this thread dug up, why are people even posting in it?

We are getting jump.

Sorry to those that don't like it and hurray to those that do.

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Originally Posted by Answa

We already had one before. It sucked ass.

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I didn't say implement a previous released real time battle system.
One that would work. Wait-attack systems are out of date, and they get boring quickly.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

It's like you're not even reading what I'm typing.
I KNOW about the redesign. But the structure of the CURRENT WORLD is not propperly structured for it.

The point I'm trying to make is that the world redesign will have to be focoused around the idea of jumping to avoid issues like being trapped or entering areas you're not supposed to be or otherwise making the feature about as usefull as an emote you can use at the push of a button.

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Of course! We all want maps that support jumping very well! :D
That goes without saying... or not, haha. :D

I agree with some of what you say Gramul, that's why the jump debate is still on-going. We have no proof the devs are not repeating the same mistake again. Only a vague date of a future jumping feature.

I believe all maps should be designed two-folds: main non-jumping routes, remote/hidden paths that require some jumping and careful walking (no more bottomless pits with invisible wall please, I want to be able to fall and make monsters fall :D).
You want to reach something you are not "supposed" to reach, jump to it (but designed to actually support someone going there with jumping, like rooftops, bottomless cliff sides, etc.)!

That way, non-jumper players can continue to play as usual and use the main routes. Jumpers can use the shortcuts and explore further (and spy on non-jumpers from rooftops).

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Originally Posted by aikawananase

go to your nearest lake and go jump in it and go swimming.
dont want ff11 stuff in 14? we dont want your stupid wow/aion jump in 14 either.
shut up about it already..............

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wow, just got curious to see your post so far, most of your post are full of hate and nothing contructive always complain at everyone else's idea without even do a good comentary or sugestion, are you a hater?.

I believe they might give us this option later on when they give us an use for it, so far we have the jump from drg wich is very practical and useful besides the fact of only reset hate , example, when you run low on HP or more monster just linked at yah and get the urge to scape from them.

And yes i do jump just to make fun of it sometimes but it has a cool down timer to avoid people spam it, i bet most people give down to the temptation while playin drg and do it just cause its fun.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

I don't understand why anyone would be for invisible walls in a game where they want immersion, but sure.

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It doesn't matter whether anyone would be for invisible walls or not. Just because you get jump doesn't mean you can just jump anywhere, even over a simple rock.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

People seem to be deeply confused.

I unlocked DRG this past week, and the first ability they gave me was "Jump". A few levels later, I got "Elusive Jump". At the end, I got "Dragonfire Dive" which is also a jump ability.

You got three of them and one of them even spews fire!

(Also, Full Thrust and Doomspike.)

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These abilities are exclusive to a job and do not in any way aid in navigation or anything not related to combat.

I like how people try to make it sound as though Dragoon's Jump and the literal action Jump are the same thing.

Why does this thread exist? Yoshida already said he was putting in jump. He even showed you a tech demo..

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

I like how people try to make it sound as though Dragoon's Jump and the literal action Jump are the same thing.

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In their heads it is the same thing.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

In their heads it is the same thing.

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if you think we think that you dont understand us very well

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

if you think we think that you dont understand us very well

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Well, saying that jump shouldn't be implemented because only Dragoon should be able to jump is supposed to be interpreted how?

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

Well, saying that jump shouldn't be implemented because only Dragoon should be able to jump is supposed to be interpreted how?

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you will never understand

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

you will never understand

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I guess I'd also need to be insane to understand how the insane think.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Why does this thread exist? Yoshida already said he was putting in jump. He even showed you a tech demo..

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I was playing tera.... jumping was just blah....... like no thanks

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I was playing tera.... jumping was just blah....... like no thanks

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I've never enjoyed jumping in MMO's.
The physics just feel...not right.

Then again, the games I play that do feature jumping are usually Nintendo games. And they're all about jumping mechanics, so I'm probably a little spoiled.

Look, you're all insane. It's just jumping (like up and down, etc). It's just another domain of movement.

/sigh ... only on a final fantasy forum...

Im not really for jumping on this game. Especially when it comes to falling and stuff like that. I do agree it would make it slightly more "realistic". Have to be careful not to make the game look goofy like wow.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I've never enjoyed jumping in MMO's.
The physics just feel...not right.

Then again, the games I play that do feature jumping are usually Nintendo games. And they're all about jumping mechanics, so I'm probably a little spoiled.

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Yes need those Mario galaxy 2 jumping mechanics!!!!

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The physics just feel...not right.

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The physics on jumping in most MMOs are closer to reality than the physics in the kind of games you're thinking of (e.g. you don't jump like 3x your height)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The physics on jumping in most MMOs are closer to reality than the physics in the kind of games you're thinking of (e.g. you don't jump like 3x your height)

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I'm talking more in the realm of floaty jumps, poorly animated jumps, and jumps that don't ease in and out well.
And really, why bother making it more 'real', if doesn't feel right when playing?

Now the argument has swayed towards "We don't want jumping because it won't be well implemented". This is a Final Fantasy game. How can you think they would settle for "poorly animated jumps"? You know that when they put jump into the game it'll look great, so why fight it?

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

Now the argument has swayed towards "We don't want jumping because it won't be well implemented". This is a Final Fantasy game. How can you think they would settle for "poorly animated jumps"? You know that when they put jump into the game it'll look great, so why fight it?

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Did I say it won't be well implemented?
No, I said the jumping physics in the MMO's I've played have been disappointing.

I don't know how Square is going to do it. I hope that they do it well.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Did I say it won't be well implemented?
No, I said the jumping physics in the MMO's I've played have been disappointing.

I don't know how Square is going to do it. I hope that they do it well.

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So you don't trust them? I'm confused which side you're on.

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Originally Posted by Buddhsie

So you don't trust them? I'm confused which side you're on.

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My own.

It's not that I don't trust them. It's that I have no basis to form an expectation.