OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

I'm far less annoyed by the differing AOE mechanics than I am by not getting leeches til 40... I'm guessing SCH's AoE abilities will never be the same as WHM's but later it will improve. I love SCH healing. I had every intention of being a career WHM in this game but I found CNJ snoozeworthy. My WHM is 34 and my SCH is 46. Eventually I'll do both but I struggle to maintain interest in WHM healing.

I love that there is a different way to do things in this game.

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Originally Posted by kronpas

Between buggy AI and weak AoE, the least we want is canceling out each other's AoE when there are 2 of us in the same place (dont pretend like DF wasnt exist!). I'm fine with relying on a WHM in the same group, but another SCH doesnt improve the situation at all is just WTF game design.

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Well if the add shield stacking, then WHM's stoneskin will stack as well, and people will prefer two WHM because of 2xStoneskin, both enhanced with traits, will be just too imbalanced compared to ours. And if they only allow shield stacking for SCH, the WHM will feel cheated. As I said before, allowing shield stacking is not the route to go, it just opens the door for more balancing issues.

I saw a suggestion by someone multiple times on this topic allowing to "absorb" the shield into additional healing points, so 200hp+200shield becomes 400hp+200 shield on second cast. Third is 400/200 again. So as long as the shields are up, you heal for whatever shield amount is still up. This shouldn't break balance too much, and would be in line with the unique scholar play style.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Stuff.

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The biggest thing about Disc priests was that the shields they could bestow on single targets were a lot stronger, comparatively, to their counterpart healer's direct healing than our basic Succor/Adloquium shields compared to WHM Cure and Medica, let alone the fact that they get additional ranks of Cures and Medicas which are even stronger with the counterpoint of being significantly more expensive. Our biggest problem is that our healing output is universally low, and only begins approaching WHM numbers when we crit - crit being a stat we see precious little of until you can socket it into Vanya gear, which most of us do not have.

We don't get any "stronger, but less mana efficient" heals for emergency situations the way White Mages do. We have to be ontop of our heals constantly, and even then there are fights where our output literally cannot compete with the incoming damage (hello HM Titan Stomps after Heart Phase, I'm glaring at you).

It'd be nice to either get some Physick/Succor II, have the base healing of Physick and Succor increased, or allow some sort of stacking / boosting interaction with our preexisting shields.

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Originally Posted by Vyserion

We don't get any "stronger, but less mana efficient" heals for emergency situations the way White Mages do. We have to be ontop of our heals constantly, and even then there are fights where our output literally cannot compete with the incoming damage (hello HM Titan Stomps after Heart Phase, I'm glaring at you).

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The point about stomps is debatable since multiple casts of succor shields get eaten with the iterative damage pattern of the stomps. You are correct in that you don't have the less mana efficient emergency heals. That is the traditional drawback of shields... you are a pre-emptive not reactive healer... so you have to stay on top of the shielding/healing or you are behind the ball and have a very difficult time "catching up".

"Catch-Up" is the reactive healer game, if you are playing it as a pre-emptive healer, it means the style might not suit your play style. If you get reactive AND pre-emptive healing, that isn't balanced. If you consider all your shields and mitigations as part of your output, then you can deal with the damage, as multiple people have posted Titan is doable with SCH x 2. The healing just looks very different than with a WHM or Whm x 2.

Iuno....as much as people are comparing and debating between SCH and WHM, Double divine aura + double medica II + double regen on all party members = WHM doesn't even have to heal for a good 5-8 seconds. I'm a WHM myself and with my other WHM counterpart in my FC, we have done this many a times. After we get all of our HoT's out, we both either bust out the sparklers and prance around a bit or troll our FC and spam Holy. I do think a 2x WHM wombo combo is OP.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

The point about stomps is debatable since multiple casts of succor shields get eaten with the iterative damage pattern of the stomps. You are correct in that you don't have the less mana efficient emergency heals. That is the traditional drawback of shields... you are a pre-emptive not reactive healer... so you have to stay on top of the shielding/healing or you are behind the ball and have a very difficult time "catching up".

"Catch-Up" is the reactive healer game, if you are playing it as a pre-emptive healer, it means the style might not suit your play style. If you get reactive AND pre-emptive healing, that isn't balanced. If you consider all your shields and mitigations as part of your output, then you can deal with the damage, as multiple people have posted Titan is doable with SCH x 2. The healing just looks very different than with a WHM or Whm x 2.

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You can only rely on pre-shield so much if the shield is reliable, but it.is.not. How many more times do I have to tell you a 150 potency shield on top of 3k HP is not so big of an advantage to trade for way weaker and unstackable AE?. No doubt there are skilled SCHs who are also lucky to have skilled DPSes who aint stepping on shyt during fight as companions, but they are too few and far between. Even though I told you I have been disc priest for the last 2 of 4 years playing WoW, you still want to say the style isnt suit me?


Disc priest DOES have shield, but its shields are extremely strong: an instant cast which adds at least 30% HP on top of player HP, a free shield popped when ANY of its heal crits (which is plenty, unlike this game, and STACKABLE to a certain cap), and another shield with cast time added in the last xpac. SCH is in no way comparable. I heard you played disc pri also, so level your SCH to 50, bring it to garuda and up to see how much the shield negates. The strongest tool in SCH arsenal isnt succor, its Adol and sacred soil. The rest is simply sub-par compared to WHM's equal. Heal on move? Regen. Single heal? Cure/cure2 do the job just as well.

I'm tired repeating the same over and over to you :\

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Well if the add shield stacking, then WHM's stoneskin will stack as well, and people will prefer two WHM because of 2xStoneskin, both enhanced with traits, will be just too imbalanced compared to ours. And if they only allow shield stacking for SCH, the WHM will feel cheated. As I said before, allowing shield stacking is not the route to go, it just opens the door for more balancing issues.

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Hard to say they're justified in feeling cheated if SCHs get the ability to stack shields when WHMs can stack regens as is, but that's another matter.

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I saw a suggestion by someone multiple times on this topic allowing to "absorb" the shield into additional healing points, so 200hp+200shield becomes 400hp+200 shield on second cast. Third is 400/200 again. So as long as the shields are up, you heal for whatever shield amount is still up. This shouldn't break balance too much, and would be in line with the unique scholar play style.

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I have agreed on this idea before.

More work for programmers, but less likely to be flamed by angry WHMs not wanting to share medica, despite the fact this idea is similar in function to medica ii->medica with less threat caused to the caster. Not as strong in healing output as the aforementioned combo, but that's alright as long as the AOE healing gap isn't as rediculously disadvantageous against a SCH as it is now.

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Originally Posted by kronpas

You can only rely on pre-shield so much if the shield is reliable, but it.is.not. How many more times do I have to tell you a 150 potency shieldon top of 3k HP is not so big of an advantage to trade for way weaker and unstackable AE?. No doubt there are skilled SCHs who are also lucky to have skilled DPSes who aint stepping on shyt during fight as companions, but they are too few and far between. Even though I told you I have been disc priest for the last 2 of 4 years playing WoW, you still want to say the style isnt suit me?


Disc priest DOES have shield, but its shields are extremely strong: an instant cast which adds at least 30% HP on top of player HP, a free shield popped when ANY of its heal crits (which is plenty, unlike this game, and STACKABLE to a certain cap), and another shield with cast time added in the last xpac. SCH is in no way comparable. I heard you played disc pri also, so level your SCH to 50, bring it to garuda and up to see how much the shield negates. The strongest tool in SCH arsenal isnt succor, its Adol and sacred soil. The rest is simply sub-par compared to WHM's equal. Heal on move? Regen. Single heal? Cure/cure2 do the job just as well.

I'm tired repeating the same over and over to you :\

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This isn't WoW, this is FFXIV.

You're neglecting to mention that disc priest in WoW has been so overpowered for years that the only reason to bring a holy priest to any form of group setting, was if you were doing 25s and already had at least 2-3 disc. And as holy, you weren't selected in place of a paladin (they had more absorbs + huge tank heal) and druid/now monk were better for aoe.

I'm sorry but no healer in this game should be as imbalanced as wow disc priest have been. The rest are fairly balanced, but obviously some were weaker (holy priest and shaman). Those 2 are niche healers, which sucks when it was your favored class/spec.

I'd hate SE to take the same route and make either WHM or SCH so ridiculously overpowered as Blizzard did, and it sounds like that's what you're asking for. WHM/SCH have excellent synergy, which seems to be the design. That's the way I love it personally, I hate homogenization and I hate one being so much better than the other that it causes stacking.

If the SCH isn't working out as SE wanted, it will be changed. SCH wasn't even available for testing in beta so we don't know how well tested they were prior to release, which was only a month ago. Give them time. Maybe they're weak and if that's the case, SE will address. I think there's a fine line with absorbs between under/over powered and I hope SE can get them there.

I'd love to try SCH, but I despise pet classes ♥

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Originally Posted by fanservice

Hard to say they're justified in feeling cheated if SCHs get the ability to stack shields when WHMs can stack regens as is, but that's another matter.

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The difference is, when regens stack and the health bar is full, its just generating threat. Shields raise effective health. You can't really tell me you think thats okay. While i certainly understand the frustration in shields just overwriting each other stacking them is not the answer.

Raising effective health by double with stacked shields would cause imbalances in clearing new content and the game in general. You can't really compare it to regens stacking. Healing is healing, and over healing causes threat. There would be no downside to shield stacking. It would be too powerful.

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Originally Posted by Itchyness

Iuno....as much as people are comparing and debating between SCH and WHM, Double divine aura + double medica II + double regen on all party members = WHM doesn't even have to heal for a good 5-8 seconds. I'm a WHM myself and with my other WHM counterpart in my FC, we have done this many a times. After we get all of our HoT's out, we both either bust out the sparklers and prance around a bit or troll our FC and spam Holy. I do think a 2x WHM wombo combo is OP.

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Well, I am not sure we are talking about level 46 content here...