Delete Clemency and Vercure

when I started FFXI last year and chose my starting City as Windurst, I started as a RDM, and when I got my cure scrolls, you better believe it saved my ass.

red mages have always been about using black and white magic and healing is what red mages can do

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Originally Posted by Coatl

If you somehow find someone using their utility on themselves insulting, then the problem is you and not the skills or players involved. Can't believe this hasn't been said more. There's no reason to remove utility just so that someone can't hurt your ego in a random duty finder.

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I wish I didn't say that tbh lol (insulting), could have easily used different wording. People tend to focus on that part and it's inconsequential to my main arguments.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

If it's a healer, you're just being an ass. You lose one GCD to prevent a wipe.

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That's what I'm saying! Like why do I need to stop doing dps just because everyone decides to die! Not even my fault! AS IF I'm gonna raise.

They should just delete raise from dps classes, because if the party knows there is nobody but the healers to raise them when they die, they will play better.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

At first I kind of liked those abilities when leveling both PLD and RDM, but now have come to hate them when leveling healers

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Your argument already held little to no weight, but this right here rips itself apart. Those who still play Paladin and Red Mage enjoy having these abilities. If I feel in danger in either job, I am beyond glad I have the option to use them. Countless times I've saved a pug run from a wipe on PLD in a boss fight when healer stood in AoEs. Same again on RDM back up curing or taking care of the rez mess (or both). In higher tier content, same theory still applies; not everyone goes for "omg we must shave off 5 seconds on our run for world record."

Also, SE already tried the 'cureless' Paladin route in XIV, it led to us getting clemency. Both of these jobs are already shadows of their former incarnations, anymore and you have generic mage and generic tank.

Edit: Will also point out, I main healing these days too, I'd rather someone is over-cured than dead.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Actually I support the change of clemency and the out right removal of vercure. Non-healers shouldn't be stand ins for healers.

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Then summoners can lose their raise, and healers can lose their dps spells. Non dps shouldnt be dpsing! See, I can post dumb stuff too!!!

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Originally Posted by Sho86

Your argument already held little to no weight, but this right here rips itself apart. Those who still play Paladin and Red Mage enjoy having these abilities. If I feel in danger in either job, I am beyond glad I have the option to use them. Countless times I've saved a pug run from a wipe on PLD in a boss fight when healer stood in AoEs. Same again on RDM back up curing or taking care of the rez mess (or both). In higher tier content, same theory still applies; not everyone goes for "omg we must shave off 5 seconds on our run for world record."

Also, SE already tried the 'cureless' Paladin route in XIV, it led to us getting clemency. Both of these jobs are already shadows of their former incarnations, anymore and you have generic mage and generic tank.

Edit: Will also point out, I main healing these days too, I'd rather someone is over-cured than dead.

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Yeah I meant that I liked those abilities in solo content. Your point still stands however. I encountered 1 instance as Paladin in which healer died and it felt pretty damn epic to keep party alive with your Clemency, have encountered the same with RDM. Tbh I'm starting to change my mind on this topic now that I'm recalling those moments xD.

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Originally Posted by SamRF

I wish I didn't say that tbh lol (insulting), could have easily used different wording. People tend to focus on that part and it's inconsequential to my main arguments.

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That's fair, point taken. But then the answer you'll get the most is that while those extra buttons aren't essential to playing your job properly, they are pretty nice to have and add that extra bit of flavor to a class. Personally I wish we had more stuff like that, not less.

I never heal for the healer unless they died and usually to try and keep the tank up until they recover. I will use my vercure to heal myself though. I've died too many times waiting to be topped off with many raid wide aoe's incoming and the healer is sitting their dpsing to only see members of the party die.

Oh wait now let me raise the dead I could have kept from dying whoa is me but Glare, Malefic and Broil were more important at the time.

I do raise as much as I can however and personally get very frustrated with an RDM in party or a Summoner for that matter who do nothing to help raise the dead.

I'd like to have my Dualcast proc ready at the end of a phase change and/or downtime.

Thanks.

I've had PLDs clemming themselves right as I launch Essential Dignity. It's really ok with me because I can be slow and there is also the anxiety that comes with low health - no one likes being near death even for a second. It's also math. If you're at say, 30% HP then you know you're gonna die in the next 2 or 3 GCDs unless you get a heal. That is exactly why my minimum threshold is 50%.