Paladin Updates

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I agree with everything except....

What ability let's you not take physical damage for 45 seconds?

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Divine Veil gives you 20... and I was just estimating with Aegis Boon, protect and the mages being up on their stoneskin game

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

Yes but clearly since you can having 5-6 DPS pulling 100+ DPS on Coincounter with a WAR tank, killing it in under 2minutes, you don't need all that superfluous enmity PLD can generate. It's a talent that is wasted/lost on that fight.

Extra enmity does not always make up for the loss of significant damage. If you are holding "just enough" enmity to keep stuff of BLMs in the above scenario or are a PLD skyrocketing past their enmity levels, then the largest different in the fight is the lost DPS from the tank.

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a valid point....
One thing I don't argue is that WAR is the preferred tank in that fight

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

Yes but clearly since you can having 5-6 DPS pulling 100+ DPS on Coincounter with a WAR tank, killing it in under 2minutes, you don't need all that superfluous enmity PLD can generate. It's a talent that is wasted/lost on that fight.

Extra enmity does not always make up for the loss of significant damage. If you are holding "just enough" enmity to keep stuff of BLMs in the above scenario or are a PLD skyrocketing past their enmity levels, then the largest different in the fight is the lost DPS from the tank.

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So....who cares?

Honestly, if you're so hung up on efficiency that people aren't allowed to join your groups because they don't contribute enough damage, even though you'll still win...

To hell with that lol

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....nal/406903.jpg


This was a 12 minute run i belive, it was one of our avg runs soo 12-13 mins on my GLD, my PLD parses roughly 10k less damage on avg

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Originally Posted by Alerith

So....who cares?

Honestly, if you're so hung up on efficiency that people aren't allowed to join your groups because they don't contribute enough damage, even though you'll still win...

To hell with that lol

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You don't like doing speed runs?

the patch doesn't make PLD what it should be... but if you just love it... and want to play it... nothing will stop you... PLD can tank just fine... so play what you like

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Originally Posted by Takinagi

You don't like doing speed runs?

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I just saw Mog do a speed run with a PLD AND a WAR in the entire run

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Originally Posted by Takinagi

You don't like doing speed runs?

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Not particularly. I suppose I'm one of those few people who *GASP* enjoy the content as it is.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

So....who cares?

Honestly, if you're so hung up on efficiency that people aren't allowed to join your groups because they don't contribute enough damage, even though you'll still win...

To hell with that lol

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I think you'll find people who want to play efficiently will care. An organized linkshell will do what they find to be most efficient. We don't have to deny people joining our groups cuz we don't PUG anyone.

PUGs are a wildcard always, no one can control that.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

I think you'll find people who want to play efficiently will care. An organized linkshell will do what they find to be most efficient. We don't have to deny people joining our groups cuz we don't PUG anyone.

PUGs are a wildcard always, no one can control that.

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So you'll take someone in your shell who wants to go PLD?

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....nal/406903.jpg


This was a 12 minute run i belive, it was one of our avg runs soo 12-13 mins on my GLD, my PLD parses roughly 10k less damage on avg

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sorry took a minute to find it

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Originally Posted by Alerith

So you'll take someone in your shell who wants to go PLD?

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Yeah and we can adjust our strategy sure. It's not how we typically run things but it's not like we're not gonna achieve a speed run because we changed the WAR to a PLD suddenly. There are factors like knowing the instance well, having group synergy from playing with the same people for awhile, and being familiar with boss mechanics, amongst other things.

Are we gonna do it "as fast". No we might miss out by a few seconds, but if you can clear these raids in 20mins or 24:59m then it's no different than my above example about over-generating enmity. Now if you want to do more raids in less time, then you want to maximize everything and PLD isn't really part of that little equation right now unfortunately.