So, can we just ban damage meters already.

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Originally Posted by Hawklaser

See the bars under the Job icons? Do you know what that is?

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For the sake of others like me - no.

Do you mind explaining it? Is that white mage 4th in DPS?

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Ehhhhh it's not as accurate as you'd think. I wouldn't ever go off of aggro for that.

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While its not super accurate for high level play, its accurate enough for most normal things, and improving until one gets to that high level of play. And yeah, there are a few other things that can effect ones overall agro.

Yet, in that particular image, there is no reason one Sam should be #7 and one #3 if they were performing equally and no deaths.

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

For the sake of others like me - no.

Do you mind explaining it? Is that white mage 4th in DPS?

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It means the WHM is 4th in overall Agro in that alliance party. Agro is a combination of threat generated from healing and doing damage. Basically the numbers indicate who the mob dislikes most.

In a good party it usually goes A or 1 is tank, 2-3, or 2-5 should usually be DPS, and 7-8 should be the healers. An off tank can kinda fall anywhere in there above the healers. Healers want to keep theirs low by avoiding over heals when possible. DPS want to push as close to ripping it off of the main tank as they can get.

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

For the sake of others like me - no.

Do you mind explaining it? Is that white mage 4th in DPS?

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Probably not, but assuming no DPS died, the relative order is likely MCH > SAM1 > DRG > SAM2 > RDM. You can't tell for tanks because aggro gain, or the healers because healing spells generate aggro.

Note that this is only for personal DPS.

"...but I play on PS4 so it's almost impossible to actually converse in chat AND do your job"

Actually Ps4 is natively compatible with Keyboard and Mouse, i do use both to play FFXIV on my Ps4.

Anyway, It's bannable, i already did twice abd GM contacted my like 5 min later.

3rd party programs, including damage meters, are not allowed already. SE tends to look the other way provided you don't use it to harass anyone else, so just report them if they do. Even if they weren't using a damage meter, harassment is against the rules anyway.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Ehhhhh it's not as accurate as you'd think. I wouldn't ever go off of aggro for that.

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Raw numbers no, but it does give you a good idea based on the position who is underperforming, and you can correlate that with what class they are using as well. However, you won't know the full extent to which they actually are based on threat alone.

But this is alliance roulette though, where it's entirely possible to "carry" statuses and buffs from fight to fight. For example, a rdm could've finished off a previous boss with full gauge and then basically bursts and stays on top of the aggro list for most of the fight because the other dps started off clean. In a 8man raid, yeah I guess you could use aggro meter with greater accuracy but other content where jobs can carry stacks/buffs? hmm, can't say I'd go off with that. Maybe like when we're halfway into the fight but definitely not the start.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

At least in low level story dungeons. It's getting old.

I've been doing the main story as a healer, to avoid queue's, and I can think of at least 5 times off the top of my head where 1 DPS started harassing a sprout DPS over the dumb meter. These are like 40's normal story dungeons; never had any issues clearing them. It's stupid, and I actually want to defend the newbie, but I play on PS4 so it's almost impossible to actually converse in chat AND do your job. I usually just give the new player a commendation at the end, since it might make them feel better about it.

Of course, since I'm a diva, the last straw before I came here to whine on the forums about it was when it happened to me. I decided to queue as a Samurai for my first run of a story dungeon, and at the first boss I died to a mechanic. Unfortunate, but hey, that's why everyone gets a bonus for running with my newbie ass. Of course after the fight, right on queue, the other DPS goes off when his meter tells him I did less DPS than the healer; apparently he was so focused on the meter he didn't realize I died. Actually explaining it to him in chat wasn't an option (again, PS4), so I basically got to listen to crap about how I must've bought my character right up until the next boss, where my damage was fine; which eventually shut him up.

Anyways, garbage communities and things like damage meters just don't mix well. I understand them for personal use and progression stuff, but any mention of your dumb little meters in a random MSQ dungeon should be bannable.

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Lol your asking the forums? Most of the ppl replying to your thread use parsers and other 3rd party apps xD.

Did the servers go down this afternoon or something? Where do you people find the time to post pages and pages of this nonsense arguing in one afternoon?

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

But this is alliance roulette though, where it's entirely possible to "carry" statuses and buffs from fight to fight. For example, a rdm could've finished off a previous boss with full gauge and then basically bursts and stays on top of the aggro list for most of the fight because the other dps started off clean. In a 8man raid, yeah I guess you could use aggro meter with greater accuracy but other content where jobs can carry stacks/buffs? hmm, can't say I'd go off with that. Maybe like when we're halfway into the fight but definitely not the start.

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Things like DNC and NIN will, or should, pretty much always be bottom in threat, but if you see something like a BLM, SAM, or MNK at the bottom and they didn't die they are undoubtedly under performing.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Did the servers go down this afternoon or something? Where do you people find the time to post pages and pages of this nonsense arguing in one afternoon?

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Hasn't been me this day, but easy. During MSQ cutscenes, on the toilet, in bed or the couch on phone/tablet, in-between queues, waiting room, passenger in car, etc. Those are at least my usual posting spots. :)