Remove role action Rescue : only a tool for trolling and poor gameplay

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I've never had the problem with troll-rescues.
Whenever I've been rescued it's been to help me avoid a mechanic or something I was too slow to avoid or was inexperienced with.

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For me, I'm not even referring to troll rescues, but the ones who actually have good intentions, but just don't use it properly. The skill needs to be pretimed otherwise it's too late, and can even pull one into other mechanics unintentionally. Like I've said, I appreciate the thought, but people need to stop if they can't use it properly. The possibility of it being timed and used properly - to save a life - is the only reason I haven't written it off.

Don't remove it please. I've saved plenty of sprouts and had myself saved by a few wonderful healers (even in EW content I'm running for the first time - people learn cues quickly lmao). I've never seen it used in trolling (outside of friends messing around with each other in closed content) but I imagine it does happen from time to time. Been playing a long old time now and not witnessed it once myself however. At least I've never seen someone call someone out for killing them or trolling them with rescue. It may have happened in an Alliance Raid but I just didn't see it happen.

Point being, I don't think it's enough of a problem for them to remove it. Especially how satisfying it is when used correctly. Someone thanking you for the rescue always feels great and it's not like you get it pull it off often. Often time I'm too late and all I pull off is that funny death slide that happens. At least their corpse is within raise distance in that case...

I've heard some people accidently use it, but I'm sure in most circumstances that wouldn't lead to a death and maybe just a bit of lost DPS. Nothing a quick "Ooops, didn't mean to use that - sorry!" wouldn't fix. Most people are understanding.

I’ve never come across anyone who misused the Rescue ability. If anything, especially as of late, I have come across healers who have used it successfully and saved me from a sticky situation.

If anyone misuses it for the sake of trolling then just report them. Just make sure it wasn’t a mistake rather than jump to assumptions though.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Report counts. If someone does this every single game, its blatant that this is no longer an excuse. Thats why you also shouldnt be too afraid to report if you feel it was a troll. If its truly an accident, then nothing will happen anyway (you wont get punished for a single invalid report either). Trolls are often very good at doing it at frustrating moments, and outside of that act like nothing happened. The volume (and rate) of reports however wont lie about it.

With good logging, a GM can have a lot of information to go by. Making a decision easy. A single fat finger pull that caused a wipe on that wont do a lot, even if that player got 7 reports in that game. Simply because that might just have been a single event. Getting 2 reports 4 games in a row however will be suspicious.

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Still at that point the justification is based around suspension and not fact. From my own personal experience ot seems GM'd prefer hard evidence.

I mean if someone is open about it I could and talk about it in game I could see action being taken, but even if it happens often the intention could be in the right 0lace but execution was poorly timed. If the player frames it is right during questioning it does not seem like an easy thing to prove.

The only issue is that it is not instant as it takes like 2 seconds for the person to be pulled close to you.
It's useful when it works and handy but still meh to me.

I am relieved that so many people are against this curious idea.

A small side note: I see a lot of people grumbling (sometimes rightly) about abusive or faulty rescues.Personally, most of the rescues I see on IG are well used, even if the timing isn't always right. Here, a small adjustment would indeed be welcome: make the skill instantaneous, and try to remove the.... (I don't know how to describe it) disorientation that comes right after, caused by our character automatically turning to the opposite side.

On the other hand: too many people assume that we are using the rescue in a wrong way. They don't even try to understand why we felt the need to press that key. It's rare to do it randomly, simply because you often get yelled at when you use it.

Typical example : the distance dps who is at the other end of the map, and that you bring back by force under your dome... Before seeing him jumping away again. *Facepalm* Oh, joy : another GCD that goes up in smoke and twice as much work for the mass healing phases.

From all the healers who use this ability wisely: we're trying to help you. Stay where I've placed you. Please.

Seen it used more times getting you killed than helping you. They use rescue pull you a cross aoe circle boom your dead. Also seen them use it on a tank durning titan ex just for the healer to be hit by landslide and take out both. Pretty sure we did just fine in 2.0 and 3.0 before it ever existed.

It’s a poor copy of WoW priest’s leap of faith, if it didn’t have like 2 seconds lag when using it it’d maybe would even be worth a slot on your bar.

Another thing is, in WoW it has a clear visual effect, you instantly know what’s going on when a priest pulls you, but in FF this is not the case as it just drags you across the room so you’re left even more clueless if you don’t know what’s you’re doing in a boss fight.

Maybe you should have waited for the tank to take all the aggro before you pulled? Looks like its ur fault.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Alright, I actually have had it now. If you can't use rescue responsibly, don't use it. Please and thank you. I am near convinced now that it actually does need to be removed. Not there yet, but the more healers keep either pulling me into mechanics, or pulling me out of nothing, I am getting closer and closer to that conclusion. I appreciate the thought, but stop it.

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You dirty necro, let troll post die.