O5N is unfair for pure healer

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Originally Posted by ThirdKeyOfSun

To be completely fair if we are bringing Chain into the mix we also have to account for Fey Wind and how consistent and available it is.

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Savage raid SCHs don't use Selene...only on pull if they wanna do that. Eos is just way more beneficial since she helps DPS up time.

I mean yeah Fey Wind exists but as a SCH you are sacrificing a lot of healing utility to use a weaker version of ASTs AoE Arrow and also weaker DPS boost than ASTs Balance.

Here is a calculator for raid damage/raid buffs.
example of what it shows.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Savage raid SCHs don't use Selene...only on pull if they wanna do that. Eos is just way more beneficial since she helps DPS up time.

I mean yeah Fey Wind exists but as a SCH you are sacrificing a lot of healing utility to use a weaker version of ASTs AoE Arrow and also weaker DPS boost than ASTs Balance.

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On FFlogs calculator Selene contributes to 5-700 Raid DPS with Fey Wind alone in Alt Roite. More than Chain Strategem.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

On FFlogs calculator Selene contributes to 5-700 Raid DPS with Fey Wind alone in Alt Roite. More than Chain Strategem.

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But this doesn't take into account the loss of dps uptime for both the SCH and their cohealer that is inevitable because you aren't using Eos.

Chain Strategem costs nothing.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

On FFlogs calculator Selene contributes to 5-700 Raid DPS with Fey Wind alone in Alt Roite. More than Chain Strategem.

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Moro already answered basically what I was going to say, but to add in anyway.

SCH has to sacrifice healer DPS uptime for that 3% speed every 60s since Selene lacks compared to Eos, while an AST can draw up to two cards every 30s which could end up getting a better 5% speed with AoE Arrow or maybe even AoE balance which is better than speed and that only costs 60s as well. RNG is a factor but that is one of the downsides to AST, their buffs are quite good but not consistent.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

But this doesn't take into account the loss of dps uptime for both the SCH and their cohealer that is inevitable because you aren't using Eos.

Chain Strategem costs nothing.

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*Taken from the fastest Alte Roite kill*. Although you seem to be correct. Combined healer DPS with Eos is 800 more on average.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

*Taken from the fastest Alte Roite kill*. Although you seem to be correct. Combined healer DPS with Eos is 800 more on average.

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Yeah, Eos is too good to pass up. Selene needs some serious TLC from the devs.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

*Taken from the fastest Alte Roite kill*. Although you seem to be correct. Combined healer DPS with Eos is 800 more on average.

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Yeah it would be higher. I mean the best speed runners can use Selene quite well. They play at a skill level beyond normal players like me so they can be okay missing Eos' healing utility and it doesn't hurt them as bad, but the SCH still sacrifices some of their DPS and cohealer DPS by using it in the end.

Also worth mentioning I looked at some of the Alte Roite top runs and Balance can contribute up to almost 1000 rDPS in some cases. One run I saw had Balance at "953.6"

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Originally Posted by Fayo

I'm a healer and like any good healer I only heal

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??? if you where a good healer you would be doing dps as well as keeping the party alive the healer jobs have been designed around doing both healing and dps. they removed any skill cap in healer dps with the Cleric Stance change so there is 0 reason for you 2 stand there and not do dps when the party dose not need any healing.

Someone care to explain why people think the OPs opinion is ok?

Good DPS: doesn’t miss a GCD, doesn’t stop, does good DPS.

Good tanks: doesn’t miss a GCD, does reasonable DPS for their class and uses CDs as/when needed, holds hate.

Good healer: heals? Stands there when no healing is needed? Just heals. Nothing else

Something screams not right to me when the tanks and DPS don’t get a break yet these “pure healers” think it’s ok to stand around watching us do the work