Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Read again...

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If a player reports an individual for "harassment", SE is the one to decide if the situation was harassment or not.

If an player is dismissed for "harassment", the person initiating the dismissal AND the party members voting for said dismissal are the ones deciding if the individual is acting in such a way to be dismissed for harassment or not.

If a person wants to contest a vote dismiss, GMs can look into said dismissal, but if there are no chat logs to show a conspiracy to kick a player, then the GMs can't do much about the kick, nor can they consider the kick as a form of harassment in and of itself. Hence, they chalk it up to "Different Playstyles." But, again, when the Vote Dismiss is being made, the players are the ones deciding on if the dismissee is "harrassing" the party in any way.

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Originally Posted by Destatiredux

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I literally had a thunder mage leveling my ninja and I found it so irritating. I tried to explain and help but was met with the usual complete silence. I'm just confused on how people honestly play that poorly and not realize how much they hold a party back. I get not performing the rotation perfectly, but doing so little that their death doesn't even slow down the boss fights?

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Got your data about all this rampant kicking going on by the way? I'd be very interested to see it.

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I have the whole discussion from my most infuriating kick if you want. But it's all in French.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I have the whole discussion from my most infuriating kick if you want. But it's all in French.

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That's cool but that's not data, that's anecdote.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I have the whole discussion from my most infuriating kick if you want. But it's all in French.

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And that's anecdotal. We're asking for non-anecdotal data that the Vote Dismiss feature is being rampantly abused.

EDIT: Inb4 we're asked to provide evidence that it is not being abused, the burden of proof lies with those who are contesting the current system.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

You haven't seen the worst of this community then, trust me.

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Please regale us.

I've literally been told to kill myself for not casting Lustrate in Dzemael Darkhold.

I think we've probably all been exposed to bad hombres. These sorts of experiences just tend to be few and far between.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

We're asking for non-anecdotal data that the Vote Dismiss feature is being rampantly abused.

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This is something I would genuinely like to see. Vote Dismiss abuse doesn't really seem to be something on SE's radar, so that leads me to believe that it is not as big of an issue as some might suggest.

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Originally Posted by missybee

I've literally been told to kill myself for not casting Lustrate in Dzemael Darkhold.

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Then you know how childish people can be.
On my end, I've been kicked for "off-tanking Scylla in Sword Oath", and for "being AFK" when struggling to stay alive at the end of Nerverreap after every other people fell of the platform.

But again, this bad reasons could be avoided with a more restrictive vote-kick.

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Originally Posted by missybee

Vote Dismiss abuse doesn't really seem to be something on SE's radar, so that leads me to believe that it is not as big of an issue as some might suggest.

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Problem is, we know nothing of how abusive kick is treated. If you fill a report, you're clearly told that you won't ever see if any action has been taken, and when they do an "Action Report", they only say "Participation in RMT/other illicit activites"

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

But again, this bad reasons could be avoided with a more restrictive vote-kick.

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Just want to point out that "more restrictive vote-kicks", unless you're planning to suggest having a GM present before any initiated kick is passed to objectively judge the situation, isn't going to stop those players that wish to be jerks from being jerks.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Then you know how childish people can be.
On my end, I've been kicked for "off-tanking Scylla in Sword Oath", and for "being AFK" when struggling to stay alive at the end of Nerverreap after every other people fell of the platform.

But again, this bad reasons could be avoided with a more restrictive vote-kick.

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I heard the OT scylla thing before so I'm really just asking: how do you know AFK was the reason they kicked you?

And that's two instances. Even discounting they're anecdotes, your case that the votekick is regularly abused is not strong.

I think votekicking for having a different playstyle really shouldn't be allowed, but oh well.