[1206] Water spells

Enfeebling seems to be something that will go along with other actions and spells. In a battle system where you have a limited number of actions, you make those actions do more. Go check out any 4th Ed D&D setup.

Also, I don't get the obsession with having an equal nuking spell for all elements - the community will quickly determine which is the most effective (due to gear selection/materia selection/weakness of preferred leveling enemies/etc) and shun the others, so might as well side step that entire issue and give them much more scope. A thunder spell against an enemy strong against thunder is suddenly much more attractive when it has a chance to stun as well as do some damage.

No Silence? Those enemy mages are gonna give us the mad ouchies!

Thanks for the update Rukkirri!

I'm wondering aloud here for a moment:
I wonder if enemies will still be able to Silence and Slow us or if their abilities will also change to reflect player adjustments.
Or if the three guild mark attacks of War classes will be removed, making Slow more effective against us?

I guess the Marauder resist enfeeble ability and the Conjurer Esuna-equivalent will play a bigger role in things now.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

No Silence? Those enemy mages are gonna give us the mad ouchies!

Thanks for the update Rukkirri!

I'm wondering aloud here for a moment:
I wonder if enemies will still be able to Silence and Slow us or if their abilities will also change to reflect player adjustments.
Or if the three guild mark attacks of War classes will be removed, making Slow more effective against us?

I guess the Marauder resist enfeeble ability and the Conjurer Esuna-equivalent will play a bigger role in things now.

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i just dont get why they feel no crowd control is needed in this game, especially when their introducing a fight that incorporates several powerful moogles. also especially since we will all just be base classes without our lol"uber job" abilities.
sounds like a sad gimp fest to me. being gimped is not a fun difficulty.

Only thing the addition of an enfeebling class/job that I don't like is party set ups will now likely be:

WHM + PLD/WAR + BRD + Enfeebling + 4DRG ... unless a monster has a particular weakness to magic. THM's likely won't get Ifrit parties now without enfeebles unless their damage output is greatly increased. MNK may be good if their wind attacks aren't magic based but rather physical based. I just hate "ideal setups" in a game. Like in XI right now the odds of you getting an AF3+1 item gathering pt if you're not a WHM/THF/MNK/BLM/BLU are pretty slim, nearly non-existent lol.

I am upset by the decision to give Cjn half the elements. Thaumaturge shuld have them all not Cjn.

It doesn't matter if they have a crappy damaging out, it cools if a Cjn/Whm wants to DD, but why are you going to waste MP on DDing, leave it to the Thm/Blm.

It also makes no sense they get that spell to use all there MP to deal damage to enemies around you. That clearly should be Thm/blm. Benediction should use all your MP to heal.

Situation: White Mage uses benediction, all the mobs charge at them. Black Mage uses all their MP to use that DD spell. Now they hate should be on the black mage, and they have hate. Keeping the Whm alive, and potentially the whole party.

It makes no sense for the Whm to be able to heal all HP, and then use the rest of their mp to do some kind of mega nuke. It's unfair.

I see u cookin up a new mage with enfeebling spells SE

/evilgrin

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Also, there are no paralyze/poison/silence/absorb/slow and there aren't any plans to implement them before the launch of version 2.0. However, as we move forward, if it becomes absolutely necessary to utilize them, we will look into it.

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I'm not sure, but it sounds to me like the Development Team has no plans to implement enfeebling magic (to any class or job ... ever) unless the community absolutely forces them to do so.

The elemental split I understand, though. It will just take a little time to deprogram modern Final Fantasy elemental metaphysics from my mind, and go back to more old school metaphysics.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I am upset by the decision to give Cjn half the elements. Thaumaturge shuld have them all not Cjn.

It doesn't matter if they have a crappy damaging out, it cools if a Cjn/Whm wants to DD, but why are you going to waste MP on DDing, leave it to the Thm/Blm.

It also makes no sense they get that spell to use all there MP to deal damage to enemies around you. That clearly should be Thm/blm. Benediction should use all your MP to heal.

Situation: White Mage uses benediction, all the mobs charge at them. Black Mage uses all their MP to use that DD spell. Now they hate should be on the black mage, and they have hate. Keeping the Whm alive, and potentially the whole party.

It makes no sense for the Whm to be able to heal all HP, and then use the rest of their mp to do some kind of mega nuke. It's unfair.

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i totally agree with this.

CNJ/WHM get non gimped Buffs, Heals, several nukes AND an ultimate nuke.
THM/BLM literally just gets a couple of nukes. No non gimped heals, buffs or an ultimate nuke.
CNH/WHM looks like the ideal all around mage class while the other does not.

Water keeps you alive!

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Originally Posted by Sorel

I'm not sure, but it sounds to me like the Development Team has no plans to implement enfeebling magic (to any class or job ... ever) unless the community absolutely forces them to do so.

The elemental split I understand, though. It will just take a little time to deprogram modern Final Fantasy elemental metaphysics from my mind, and go back to more old school metaphysics.

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It's more like, if it can be fit into a strategy situation since combos can already enfeeble.