That's more of a stretch than Ninja's using Katars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skies
There is pretty much no way you can cross base kits like that as the majority of the Lancer's base attacks are 'Thrusts'
Believe me, I already well though about Dark Knight's possibility because I too, noticed the abilities.
But giving a Black Mage Convert did not make then Red Mages suddenly, so too would Blood For Blood not make Lancers into Dark Knights.
It's too much of a stretch as you're breaching weapon crossing.
As far as the comment about Bard's Archer ties. That was not a stretch, because instruments were secondary at best - so all they did was eliminate the need for it them, and you could pretty much give bard any weapon you wanted.
Does not work For Dark Knights who were Iconic Scythe users from FFXI, unless you want to branch it from Warrior or Gladiator, as DRK were both known for Swords and Axes as well.
If FFXIV wants to take form FFTA, yes, Templar may work, but you're stretching for Jobs at that point. The FFTA audience is small, and that Job is going to come from left field if they use it, just the same as Classes such as Thamaturge and Conjurer were met with a "o,O" when they were first announced.
And we're still way off topic. Dark Knights would no more have pets than a Kain style Dragoon. Which is what we have, period. It would be far better to look for a solution within the pet system (If we can train Chocobos to fight at our side, why not Wyverns?) than to try to integrate it into the existing job mechanics.
It's easier, and allows far more options for players as you could probably give them as many battle options as you could a trainable chocobo, giving the combination more depth without harming DRG's performance any, or digging into the already hamstrung Class/Job system.
Do you want Dragoon to have a pet!? (poll)
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06-02-2012, 01:22 AMHyrist
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06-02-2012, 04:20 AMTeakwood
See my signature:
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06-02-2012, 07:41 PMPiedPiper
Some of you want Kain drg and you act like that is enough reason to get it the way you want it. Funny story, you already do. I still haven't seen a reason why we should have less variety instead of more. If they are going to be doing so much expansion of the jobs and classes, why not add a wyvern-master class/job/sepcialization. You wanna be kain? Great. I want to be Erpalacion. Don't remember who that is? Well no wonder you don't want your wyvern. And there are gameplay reasons why we want our wyverns back. Drg/blu pet dymanics were some of the most fun I ever had in 11, I would love to see a more immersive system in 2.0 that allows me to work with my wyvern in a meaningful way to put togetheer buffs/debuffs/elemental attacks/heals/whatever. A lot of us want a pet class that focuses on wyverns just as alot of people want one with puppets and want a beastmaster class. Why are we so evil? Its not like we want teh existing drg to be destroyed, we just want another option.
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06-02-2012, 07:45 PMZenakuI'm sorry but if most people want a pet for a drg why not? top of that it be a new job far away from a DRG it wont even be called DRG they could give it's own storyline and it can be DRG vs the new job how dark knight and PLD are diff but much alike in a wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
i don't see the issue one day they going to add a lancer with a pet becuase people going to request it. If others can request dumb stuff why can't other have what they want? or is it all about what you want and not others? i can care less but i agree if other want it why not it just going to bring more people in even if it's small it better then noting becuase sadly we all know this game wont be any near over 4mil players any time soon. -
06-03-2012, 01:14 AMHyristI get your ideals, they're just wrong for the game is all. Your desires clash directly with ours, and trying to create a method that figures both within the job mechanics itself will hamper the development of Dragoon as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by PiedPiper
Put very bluntly, FFXI designs are problems for FFXIV, not solutions.
There are just so many technical problems with trying to implement a Wyvern as something tied specifically to Dragoon that it's not worth the effort to do it that way - and we've already gone over them several times.
However, your exact same desires could have the word "Wyvern" replaced with "Chocobo." So why not get your 'pet' desires from the same system and leave those who do not want a pet-oriented class. Otherwise, what you are asking for is a complete job overhaul at the expense of what it already has. I don't know about your DRG memories, but DRG for the majority of FFXI was laughed at. And a Wyven would die a lot more in this game than it did in FFXI.
Sorry, but the "I want to be unique little Snowflake" argument can be met by further emphasis DRG's synergies with critical hits. I personally don't think 'pet' jobs will function the same way in this game as it did in FFXI, and probably to XIV's credit.
I cannot say this any more firmly without being rude. This is not FFXI, this should not be FFXI. Trying to clone the wrong mechanics over will hurt the game in the end as it will narrow the Niche.
And by the way, by all indications most people don't want a Wyvern pet, they want to be Kain.
So no, the best way to have your cake and eat it too is to have a Wyvern on the same system as a Chocobo. Wyverns in FFXI were most effective as Solo/Lowman tools anyways, this would fit that bill and probably even give it more depth than it ever could tied to Dragoon proper.
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06-03-2012, 01:47 AMArkNovaThis right here could lay grounds for anti-wyverns and pro-wyverns to meet in the middle. Give dragoon a wyvern mount that only they can use. I have no clue how mount fights will work in 2.0 but there is that nice picture in the PDFs showing people on chocobos fighting a chimera why couldnt we see a dragoon on a wyvern mount instead? I am personally against having dragoon as a pet class but I would support the idea of having a wyvern or any type of creature of dragon origin as a mount that I could use in combat.Quote:
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06-04-2012, 11:57 PMKraususQuote:
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06-07-2012, 11:54 AMMalixWell to be honest that only accounts for the people who frequent the forum which sadly the majority of the game's population doesn't according to the polls at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
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06-08-2012, 06:04 AMV3rdict
I don't want a pet. We're not a pet class tbh. Freya Crescent never had one, unless if you count Zidane. But he was a human genome monkey experiment. And nobody wants that.
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06-08-2012, 06:16 AMV3rdictSE, like most MMO devs, is learning how to filter out unecessary or unimportant requests. I asked SOE for a non-stupid-looking cat mount in EQ2...but I never got it =(. In addition, there were several forum topics that were essentially a group of people who wanted something would post arguments, granted some stupid and some legitimate and thought out. These topics were labled as Dead Horse topics, since either SOE had already stated long ago that it was not in their game plan or otherwise never chimed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenaku
SE can't answer to every back and call, much less cater to every idea small groups of players have. Your "well, I don't see the issue, so why not?" logic just doesn't make sense in a MMO forum community. Well, it does, but it's just regarded as "Can I has this?" dribble.
SE's got more important stuff to do, like generate me a THF class (even though PUG was supposed to be it, I still have my fingers crossed)! Well, who knows what they got planned, but...yeah. Second class being the same class, just with a different faction title and a pet. meh. I would hope SE thought of something better to do with their time, and I'm putting faith and money down that says that they will.