How can you use enmity as a DPS indicator when nearly every single class except Scholar and Monk have altering enmity abilities? (and i'm not even talking about ninja troll aggro skills).
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12-01-2015, 09:23 PMAlphaSonic
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12-01-2015, 11:38 PMrandysquirrelI don't really see the benefit of a personal parser. As other pointed out, without the parse for the rest of the group, you can't really put yours into context, it would literally just be a number that appeared that meant nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranzan
Even just comparing it to your own other personal parses wouldn't mean much, for example, I could imagine there being people thinking "wow I parsed 500 on that thordan, normally I only parse 400, I did awesome there", not realising that both are way short. Not to mention the obvious, outright lying, you are nowhere near meeting a dps check, then everyone claims to be parsing 1500 according to their personal parser.
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12-01-2015, 11:42 PMkarateorangutangThere are tons of forum threads and logs online to compare to though, so that points kinda moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by randysquirrel
I mean if you don't like it because you feel that it will create segregation then I get that. Saying that there's no context to compare to seems like a kinda weak point. -
12-01-2015, 11:55 PMKezy_Kaatapoh
I don't really know why I see a number of people stating fears based on only a few run ins with people quoting parsers to harass others.
I think everyone needs to realize that for every idiot you run into that yells at people with numbers and whatnot, there's easily 100 or so that use a parser and don't harass anyone. Sure, I'm using some anecdotal evidence here, but whenever I'm pugging, I ask for my numbers (I'm a PS4 player and I like to know if something I tried in an encounter worked, or if I'm making a mistake, or if cross comparing with FFLogs shows I'm lower than I should be, which lets me know there's somewhere I could be improving on). Most of the time, someone responds with what I did. How often have I seen parsers quoted during abuse? I can think of only 3 instances. But day in and day out, I've asked and I've received without a single word of animosity towards anyone, despite many of those groups not being the best DPS wise.
There's an old saying, "Don't shoot the messenger". The parser is just relaying what you did. Blame idiots for being idiots, cause an idiot is going to be an idiot whether he has that parser or not. There will always be idiots, but let's not let the few idiots ruin an aspect of the game for the majority of others. -
12-02-2015, 12:01 AMCritical-Limit
Lol @ possibly being harassed as a reason to ban parsers. Well guess we should ban things like numbers in your business so you can find which of your employees sells good or bad. Nope probably should ban gathering any statistics because a boss so where might need to point out your lacking and use that as a means to discredit your advancement in the company. It's like people keep changing harrassment now to mean getting simply offended. Wow.
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12-02-2015, 12:06 AMTigerlilleyOP here.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrejdaTom
Lulz right? I even specified in the title and in my post and again in another post I would use a personal parser to critique my own rotation. Yet here we are, 16 pages later, filled with those who argue to remain willfully ignorant of their own numbers.
I am a savage raider and this stuff matters. I want to be a great dps and not a burden to my team so a personal parser would help tremendously.
As I mentioned, a bunch of times, I don't care for others parses within a dungeon or casual content. But I would like a point of reference for myself so I can practise and easily see rotation differences and improve. -
12-02-2015, 12:08 AMDelmontybI agree, it would be cool to see how I'm doing. I like that a lot about PvP, being able to see the different stats at the end of the match and see how I compared. Sure it could be abused, but there has to be a way to give this to players who want it and want to do more damage, better healing, better tanking, etc. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigerlilley
If it wasn't real time, at the end of a dungeon or boss fight, would be handy to see once you've exited the match would work for me, but I'd like to see something along those lines. -
12-02-2015, 12:13 AMEidolon
Maybe a middle ground could be met, with regards to the contextual issues presented by people regarding the parser?
Have it give you your own personal DPS
then, have it show you your DPS in a list from highest to lowest DPS of the party. Of course, it doesn't state who's DPS it is on this list - but it will show you that there are others doing more damage than you.
For example, if you do Thordan, and as someon said, say they do only 500 dps.
Then, it would show everyone their DPS:
1200
1100
800
700
500 (YOU)
100
100
Now, contextually, you don't know who those higher ones are. But you do know that there are 4 people above you... and that there are only 3 other DPS in the party. I think anyone could make a basic assumption and be "**** I suck" at that point.
Don't have to put people on blast but yea... that might solve the issue of context.
DISCLAIMER: I am in full support of a completely transparent and open parse that is legal within the system. But if middlegrounds have to be met so people can see their DPS, this is just a random musing on how to go about doing that. -
12-02-2015, 01:00 AMArcyEvil
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U sure know a lot bout parsers, ffxiv, savage dps checks and cooperation having main class at 50 lvl. Then devs coming here, reading forums and "genius" ideas are born.
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12-02-2015, 01:27 AMrandysquirrelI probably didn't make my point particularly well in my last post. I'm very much in favour of a parser, but I think it should be public to the group, otherwise I think it loses a lot of it's effectiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by karateorangutang
If it's something only you can see, I agree that you can compare online to what others are achieving (though I think many wouldn't bother), but what if your numbers are decent, and you're still not meeting a dps check? You'd still have no idea who in the party was holding everyone back.
I think everyone in the group should be able to see who's putting out what. If your numbers are OK, then why would you care if the group can see them.
Don't get me wrong, I do think that when someone's numbers are low there are those that will harass them. But this isn't BECAUSE of the parser; those people are just jerks and will continue to be jerks whether there is a parser or not.
And a point I've made before which I think is valid but often forgotten; I think a lot of the more vocal people that harass people for low dps, are sometimes not particularly good themselves, and do so to deflect attention from themselves. The truly good people don't really seem to feel the need to berate others. If everyone in the group can see everyone's numbers, it might just shut a few of those people up when they see actually they're not as brilliant as they think they are