DPS Tool

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Yet as it stands people throughout this thread only want to know who is doing the least amount of DPS so they can justify harassment level ofcriticism. That only serves to give rise to more and more harassment which is not needed. There has been rarely any rational argument on why it's a benefit or how it should be implemented properly so that it can be a beneficial tool for the "party" and probably should be restricted to the 1 player that being the party leader. Instead all we see is that if someone disagrees they lash out and neglect to bring up the importance of everything else that happens in a fight over "dps numbers". So over the past 15 pages anyone pro "DPS tools" has not bothered with being helpful in presenting their case of "DPS tools" and I who am against it have tried to help and instead I get met with people that constantly prove why DPS tools are there to justify harassment.

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I could say the same to you, in my eyes you keep saying harassment, make up facts and have yet to provide any compelling and reasonable argue,ent for your case. Parsers have been used in my FC's 2 coil groups and while I don't coil I can see the benefit of having them. One of our bards who was a higher iLv. than the 2nd bard in one group was sitting at 230 dps while the other bard was at 313, rather than just blindly saying the group sucks and can't beat a rage timer or start replacing people the source was seen, the player was taken to the striking dummies by the raid leader and they looked at was going on. With some work they now do 300ish. It's not a tool to harass its a tool to assess and adjust. The other raid group you would think that the blm is the problem due to the class and movement heavy mechanics but with a parser it was shown that the problem was not the blm and the group adjusted without replacing a member based on assumption. Will some use it to harass maybe will a majority use it for benefit most likely. In these 2 cases it would have been more harassing to not have a parser.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

Says someone who's never done Coil.
If a group is not meeting the DPS checks in the end-game content, they need to know why, there's no debating that.

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Weird that we got it that far without parsing the damage. Sould be completely impossible as you say. 2 of our groups are close to enter T9. How can that be without parsing?

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

One of our bards who was a higher iLv. than the 2nd bard in one group was sitting at 230 dps while the other bard was at 313, rather than just blindly saying the group sucks and can't beat a rage timer or start replacing people the source was seen, the player was taken to the striking dummies by the raid leader and they looked at was going on. With some work they now do 300ish. It's not a tool to harass its a tool to assess and adjust.

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That!
Why do many people fail to understand that parsers do more good than bad?
If people want to disciminate others they do so, they don't need a parser for that...
If you see someone doing like half your damage a good player is less likely to insult him, but more likely to give him advice how to get better, the other person won't see the numbers and would think the nice guy that is providing help here is just being a dick.

DPS check come ingame in fom of solo content. Was already said in the live letter.
You don't cleared the content = your damage was not good enough

But a personal DPS check would also ok, I think. Something only you can see, maybe also something that give grades after a boss battle (1 star = very bad, 5 stars = very good)

Example:
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...lts_FFXIII.png

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

Weird that we got it that far without parsing the damage. Sould be completely impossible as you say. 2 of our groups are close to enter T9. How can that be without parsing?

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So close to enter means wiping on the avatar, the biggest DPS check in the game. One that gets progressively easier as people gear. mhmm.

Also it's not parsing but I'd like to see a t9 clear group speak out against addons, and in particular describe how they phase to Bahamut's Favor correctly without seeing the boss %.

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

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Originally Posted by dcdistro

don't want it creates elitist BS .... you need X amount of dps or this job or you can't come to my party ... nope sorry its garbage... and in the live letter Yosi said this and they won't be implemented!!! /cheer

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Hate to break it for you but people do that even now whether it's okay or not, you have no proof that they have used a parser, they can come up with anything really.
Parser is not allowed but aslong as people stay quiet about using it themselves there is no harm.
So currently console players are the only ones affeced as they can't run a parser even if they want to.

SE needs to add a parser to the game or make them legal to use.

Either that or they need to stop making DPS checks on everything. Aka remove the rage timers / mob will kill you in X sec mechanics completely.

Almost every fight has dps checks currently in the game and no one "Legally" can see the damage output. Currently in game you have situations where you have 1 blm doing potentially 340dps and another doing 170dps in equal gear.... I understand how it could be used negatively, but people need to be able to see dmg output in a game that demands X dmg to win.

Right now all SE is doing is forcing many endgame players to risk their account by using now Illegal 3rd party tools to beat the hardest parts of endgame.

http://puu.sh/93rSB.jpg

Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

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You ignore anything said, but regardless: I will tell you why it is a beneficial tool to a party. It is a beneficial tool to a party so that seven people do not suffer for one. Six do not suffer for two, etc. It is a beneficial tool because any aspect of the fight can be monitored - DPS, HPS, cooldown usage, buff uptimes... etc.

Nobody has ever claimed DPS is all that matters. It is just important. You are the one who keeps turning it into a tangent about how DPS isn't the only thing, while nobody has claimed otherwise...