PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

The thread where i asked SE to stop allowing win-trading got deleted. I have no idea why. Does that mean that win-trading is -not- against ToS and perfectly allowable? I seriously don't get why they can't just clear it up.

Why is it so difficult to let people know what is, and what isn't an exploit.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

The thread where i asked SE to stop allowing win-trading got deleted ... I seriously don't get why they can't just clear it up.

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Sounds like they just did. /rimshot

it probably got deleted to avoid redundancy because of this existing thread.

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

2nd, the gear you win from PvE encounters directly affects more PvE encounters. PVP gear does not. For your example to work, you would have to be able to glamour PvE gear in PvP, which is currently impossible.

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But it DOES affect PvP! Thats why it's a reward for PvP with PvP stats. PvE gear is outweighed in PvP because of morale. I used an extreme example to counter what self entitled players think they should be able to do to obtain PvP gear with zero effort. If you don't want to raid, dont expect to get High Allagan, which you can't get by abusing the system . And if you want PvP rewards, PvP! Which you SHOULD NOT be able to abuse the system to obtain either.

it got deleted cause no1curr that you can't find a linkshell to play with.

win trading or not, a linkshell and 7 other people to play with will slice your time in half, probably more than half. people have done it by this method and are accused by people whom are much like yourself, clueless, OP.

the people on this forum saying anyone with i100 is a win trader quite frankly, make my head hurt. moreso the ones claiming that they'll report anyone with i100, or straight up call them out. who are you to say these things? lol

the patch for this has been out for a while, remember that. solo queueing is not nor never was the way to level in pvp.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

But it DOES affect PvP! Thats why it's a reward for PvP with PvP stats. PvE gear is outweighed in PvP because of morale. I used an extreme example to counter what self entitled players think they should be able to do to obtain PvP gear with zero effort. If you don't want to raid, dont expect to get High Allagan, which you can't get by abusing the system . And if you want PvP rewards, PvP! Which you SHOULD NOT be able to abuse the system to obtain either.

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Again, it only affects PVP if those players who are win trading are doing it to further bolster their pvp gears. Most are not. They are doing it for glamours.

And c'mon, you could also game the system just by going into a random pvp match and losing on purpose. YOU GET POINTS FOR LOSING AND WINNING. That, in fact, takes less effort than finding 7 other people and win trading. So how exactly is someone self entitled? Because you can just as easily give ZERO EFFORT the legit way and still gain rank, gears, etc.

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Originally Posted by Histoire

it got deleted cause no1curr that you can't find a linkshell to play with.

win trading or not, a linkshell and 7 other people to play with will slice your time in half, probably more than half. people have done it by this method and are accused by people whom are much like yourself, clueless, OP.

the people on this forum saying anyone with i100 is a win trader quite frankly, make my head hurt. moreso the ones claiming that they'll report anyone with i100, or straight up call them out. who are you to say these things? lol the patch for this has been out for a while, remember that. solo queueing is not nor never was the way to level in pvp.

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1. i have no issue with ppl entering with ls and FIGHTING. i have an issue with ppl "insta-dying." If you want to play with friends and no one else is queueing, no problem. But if you are win-trading (e.g. team b dies without a fight, team a dies without a fight, team b dies without a fight, team a dies without a fight) that is pure exploitation. There have been party finder groups on our server for win-trading.

2. no one is accusing people. I know ppl from balmung who pvp nearly all day and have a lot of the i100 gear. And I'm happy for them (at least when they are being nice about me getting 2shotted by tanks with i100). But there are people in other threads who basically admitted to win-trading because "pvp sucks" (including the deleted thread)

I don't see how anyone can justify trading instant deaths to rank up. Why even bother with PvP then?

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Originally Posted by Histoire

solo queueing is not nor never was the way to level in pvp.

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why ? with enough ppl in pvp there is no diference if you solo or party queue, rewards are same and time is same too.

and Sapphic stop comparing pvp to pve, if you die like 100 times in coil6 you have totaly 0 drops, if you do that in pvp you lvl up and get some gear, thats the main difference. Everyone will have that gear even ppl that put no effort to get it. In pve even with echo you cant pass encounters afk cuz echo dont negate boss mechanics, you have to put some effort to get gear and go to higher content.

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Originally Posted by Snorgrind

why ? with enough ppl in pvp there is no diference if you solo or party queue, rewards are same and time is same too.

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9 times out of 10 you will wait between 5 and 188 minutes (my longest thus far) in a solo queue.

with 7 other people and knowledge of how the recently added match making system works, it is instant, you can set your own rules. I know of linkshells that forbid pvp skill usage, some that only use pve gear, blah blah. there are ways to level and have fun quickly, but people would sooner tunnel vision the people simply grinding for vanity and make a huge deal out of something that really, is not a huge deal.

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Originally Posted by Snorgrind

why ? with enough ppl in pvp there is no diference if you solo or party queue, rewards are same and time is same too.

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Actually, solo queue (assuming you win) nets you 100% rewards, while grouping only gets you 50%. As with most of XIV (that isn't "hardcore" endgame), Yoshida would rather you play with completely random people for better rewards than enjoy the game with friends. I call it the Enjoyment Tax, enjoying the game with friends halves your progress in PvP, removes DR rewards from the game, and so on.