How about giving us bonus xp when we are not logged on

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

and ruin the gaming exp for the most of ppl, and wont save the nubness of the casual at end game because they already spend so less time to learne the game already, max lvl is just to show

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When i say this with an English accent it makes me happy.

Let me ask, what is the difference between these two? "You earned 25 XP + 25 Rested Xp!" instead of "You earned 50XP - 25 Fatigue XP"

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Originally Posted by Kafeen

We kind of have this already with guardian's aspect. I wouldn't have thought we'd need a second system to give an exp boost.

I don't mind if it is added, but I don't think its needed.

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Agreed. I think GD already helps in this department nicely.

Speaking of Guardian Deity's, has the dev team touched on exactly what it is they plan on doing with our GD choices when we created our characters yet?

Wheres news on our hard core content? I don't think rested exp is going to kill the game <_< that's just silly

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Surplus and Rested XP do the same thing they are just going to change the name and lower how deep Fatigue goes.

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They don't do the same thing they do opposite things. Surplus creates Fatigue which lowers your SP gains, Rested XP gives you bonus XP for down time. If you take out the part slowing you down and add a part that speeds you up you are essentially doubling XP rates.

You can already hit cap in a month there is no reason for both of these changes.

People don't like to be punished for playing a game for "too long" -- they like to be rewarded for putting the game down and having a life. Even if 25 + 25 and 75 - 25 still both equal 50, which looks better to you when you have 10,000 SP to go? Perception is everything.

Ironically, WoW originally wanted to implement a rested system almost exactly like FFXIV has (its caveat was it DID have a 200% modifier for when you logged for an extended period of time). They changed it to the current 200% rested exp system because all the alpha players hated it. I love it when history repeats itself.

Edited because I fail at math and reading.

I'm by the opinion that if they want to implement this, they have to nerf experience gains. It's easy to rank up with Surplus, and without you'll be ranking to 50 in no time.

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Originally Posted by giftforce

What's wrong with MMOs today? That the community is so hopelessly ignorant of the genre that they needed someone to explain the terms rested bonus for them?

To me, that's the problem. That's the problem right there!

FFXIV players don't even know what's out there! No wonder they are so happy with the total and utter drivel SE feeds them or, rather, leaves them salivating for.

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what is wrong with MMOs today?REALLy?
is that a honest question? let alone the SE blah blah that i ll just assume that the guy is tying to troll but...

no really you really ask what is wrong with mmos today?

*ontopic*

i think rested xp is a horrible idea for any game.
anything that rewards you for NOT doing something is a horrible idea to me.
Other games have real xp when u are just afk... mb we should consider that too huh?
Like just leave ur character there and he xps on his own ... mmm...
u seriously dont see the flaw on that?

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Originally Posted by Ashthra

I love it when history repeats itself.

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Ah, so I'm not the only one looking at the past as a roadmap for the future. =D

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Originally Posted by giftforce

FFXIV players don't even know what's out there! No wonder they are so happy with the total and utter drivel SE feeds them or, rather, leaves them salivating for.

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Despite gift's history of trolling, he's spot on here. A lot of people who followed XI never tried anything else. Granted, game A and game B can't be exactly the same, but having a point of reference for design philosophies, class mechanics, dynamics in group content and such helps when examining design and making comments. Yes, I'll admit it, City of Heroes, WoW and even Lineage II have stronger influence on my opinions as far as what I believe should be in an MMO than FFXI ever will (admitedly, this is because XI followed Everquest closely and I was not a fan of how things were done in EQ).

It reminds me of a conversation I once had with someone in my shell, which was me for about 20 minutes trying to explain to the guy the term HoT. I mentioned HoT and he would think Regen, though Regen and HoT's are not exactly the same. Another instance had me trying to explain abilities like Soul Tap and Body to Mind, and no one in the group seemed to understand that they are very different from Convert. Good times. >.>;;;

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

The first sp system was based on rewarding abilities.

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Actually, it was more like rewarding who could get the most people hit by raptor AOE fire breath without dying.