Hey look, my points are getting destroyed! Let's resort to an ad hominem!
Crafting being limited by time and willingness to drone on is bad, so is rarity by exclusivity. I gave away my stockpile of thousands of nuggets worth of ore and other various materials to my friends in my LS because trying to craft currently will put me to sleep. I've already said it several times, SE needs to get on the ball and actively ban people. Forcing those botters to have to bot gathering as well will only make it easier to get rid of them.
What of player driven economy do you not understand? Crafting should be limited by obtainable materials from other players or yourself ie. DoL. You didn't get very far never playing a Scavenger(DoL) or having several people reliably supplying you in Lineage 2 as a Warsmith(DoH) which is the only similar system I know of. Currently making efficient use out of your time as DoL is ~1-1 1/2 hours every 15 hours, if you can't manage that too bad. Maybe you should make some DoL friends.
Fall back and regroup: time for crafting autoleveller?
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06-17-2011, 09:34 AMTiraelina
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06-17-2011, 10:46 AMPeregrineNo. Everyone who bots has 200 million gil. Every statement has a sensitivity and specificity. Two edges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
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06-17-2011, 10:48 AMPeregrinePoor reward systems create poor communities.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
Should never have pretended the time it takes to spam the enter button 200,000 times is worth rewarding.
That's the problem.
It's not. It never was. It never will be.
That's cheap, skilless labor destined to be replaced by an automated process in any society save for a group of skilless tallentless drones.
And you can't ever fix that.
You might be right on the skill level to consider hitting that enter button a challenge worth rewarding. I don't. It's below me. It's below every human worth more than 4 bucks an hour. Stop petitioning for a system that rewards people with no skill or mental process going on, simply because you're 98th percentile INSISTANT and that makes you come out on top of a pile of **** that no one else likes.
Where's the pride in that? Being the best at something everyone else considers a joke? Again, I'd be more ashamed than anything to be THA BEST at craft grind getting. Kindof says a lot about what you choose to value. Mindless repetition above all.
Honestly the whole crafting system makes videogamers look bad. Should be ashamed that this garbage is what some of you consider, "Not handing things to people."
It's disgusting how many times you can get a human to hit the enter button and still feel good about their "accomplishment" and "earning" something by it. What a sick psychological experiment.
End their, and this, misery. Autolevel. This nonsense is below human standards, I don't care how skilless a person is. They have basic human rights and dignity. -
06-17-2011, 10:50 AMPeregrineBetter to know the biggest threat in the game than not know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by syntaxlies
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06-17-2011, 12:44 PMindira
they could just scrap the whole way to craft and make it like every other game where you select items hit ok then it makes something or breaks, and auto crafter would work, you still need the supplys. all you have to do right now its pick you mats then keep hitting standard i dont see what the big deal is every other aspect of the games is easy.
1 synth now takes a couple of minutes @_@ which is crazy given the amount of EXP/SP you get. -
06-17-2011, 12:52 PMTheVediscouple of minutes?Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
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06-17-2011, 01:29 PMXenorWell I disagree with that too lol. The botters are too lazy to gather so they're spending a fortune on mats. Since they're ranking up more crafts than you or me and probably not bothering with local leves they're spending considerably more for ranking up. Making gil still requires real time anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peregrine
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06-17-2011, 01:33 PMTheVediseven some of the legit players are buying most of their mats(and farming to keep even)Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
im sitting on 36mil currently, but thats also taken alot of work to keep myself over 30, i buy ALOT of shards cuz they are a pain to farm myself, i farm what mats i can and buy the rest with the profits im making on gear sales and from vendoring the crap im making to level
the people who are super rich arent the ones grinding everything, its the ones who got 1-2 jobs up, and are using those specificaly to just make gear to sell nonstop
or the people who never touched a craft and never will, and just make tons of gil on what they farm, those are probly the richest people -
06-17-2011, 10:31 PMMortikhan
I could see this working...with the following restrictions:
1) No more than 10 items per synth.
2) No possibility of HQing.
3) Less SP per synth and/or higher failure rate (only because in essence you are Hasty Handing multiple synths)
4) No acquired skill ability use. (ie. no options for Preserve, Fulfillment etc.)
5) Only usable for refining raw materials or making uncomplicated items. (ie. you could mass craft Logs to Lumber but not Lumber into let's say masks. You are not an assembly line for more complicated items.)
6) No finished products (ie. armor parts, weapons, jewelry etc.) could be created with it.
7) Should be an acquired option at crafting 20 or possibly even higher. Possibly a reward for doing the first quest for that guild.
8) Should not be usable for synths more than 5 levels higher than your current level.
Basically it would used for second tier items you may need to perform a higher level synth with to level. That has always been my biggest time sink was making the raw materials into something I could use to craft something to skill off of. -
06-17-2011, 11:53 PMPeregrine1) Then don't even bother, because that's worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortikhan
2) This is perfectly fine, +1 grind results are worthless spam and probably shouldn't even exist.
3) Then don't even bother, beause that's worthless.
4) This is perfectly fine, best sp per hour doesn't use abilities, they just use the enter button.
5) Pretty needless. Crafting grind is crafting grind. Regardless of type, you can skill up on whatever you want.
6) Again, you can skill up on whatever you want. Crafting grind is grind is grind.
7) Worthless hoop-jumping, stop wasting players' time.
8) Again, worthless.
Basically what you just said is no.
Because what you just proposed would be pretty much a waste of time. Don't waste the devs' and the players' time like that. That system would be impotent and useless.
You want rewarded for mindlessly hitting an enter button in person because for some reason that's entertainment worth rewarding to you.
No. That's terrible gameplay and a poor activity to reward. If anything, crafters should be punished for spamming the enter button for 4 straight hours like gatherers are.
Ya. How about that. Everyone knows crafters who have been at it for hours are watching television or getting other entertainment. They're not playing the game. They're hitting a button while doing something else.
If you're going to reward mindlessness, you might as well reward the most mindless in the group--those who can hit the enter button without Netflix on. Really when you're going to argue that mindlessness is worth rewarding, there's no limit to what dumb things you can reward.
Let's not do the enter button at all. If you really want to reward crafters crafting, make a little dot on the screen appear every 30 seconds to minute and a half. When the dot flashes, you hit enter and craft an item.
Happy? Now you can't do anything else but stare at the screen and react to a randomly appearing dot. How awesome is THAT! Watch that screen now. Can't make it easy. Can't hand anything to people. Gotta make this stupid for everyone because some people like stupid.